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Defenses Glorifying the Aga Khan filed in federal Court - 2010-04-29

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Thursday, 2010, April 29
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In a surprisingly rapid twist of events, both Mr Tajdin and Mr Jiwa have filed their respective statements of Defense this 29th of April 2010. They affirm to being devoted followers who will unconditionally abide by the wishes of the Aga Khan, whom they glorify in their defense.

Mr Tajdin declares that:

He has not been served yet but the ethics imposed upon him by his faith demands that he should not keep in ignorance the public by being silent on the issue and should clarify all of the facts, pertaining to this lawsuit, of which he is aware.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of his wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

He has been printing Farman books since 1992 with approval and instructions from the Imam received on August 15, 1992 in Montreal.

He has not received any communication from the Imam from 1992 to 2009 instructing him to stop publication.

He cannot stop publication without instruction from the Imam as this would be a breach of his oath of allegiance to the Imam.

All Farman publications were financial deficit projects done as a volunteer service and large numbers of books were distributed free of charge.

Farman sharing is a historic Ismaili tradition which still continues today.

The current Ismaili Constitution does not restrict the right to publish Farmans

Mr Tajdin concludes that:

He has no choice but to await further direct instructions from the Imam.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of His wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

Mr Jiwa states that:

"This action does not appear to have been authorized personally by the Aga Khan .."

"In distributing Farman books obtained from Tajdin to other Ismailis, he has not violated either the Ismaili Constitution or any Farmans"

He has not violated the copyright act as "Tajdin was given express authority by the Imam" and regardless of the fact that "the limitations period provided for by the Copyright Act also bars this action as the books containing the Farmans were commenced publication in the year 1992", he will still do whatever the Imam tells him to do.

Mr Jiwa clarifies finances:

He "obtains these books for C$50.00 from Tajdin and sells it for C$50.00, without any profit.

"All monies received by him from the sale of (other) books after 2005 were delivered to the Jamatkhanas"

Mr Jiwa further states that:

"If the Imam edited the Farman before releasing to the Jamats, in effect he is superceding the Farman he made orally previously."

He "unconditionally reconfirms his oath of allegiance to his Imam" and "if the Imam does not desire his Farman books to be distributed to the Jamats (...) this defendant will submit to the instructions of His Imam without reservation whatsoever"

Replies From the Plaintiff are due within 10 days, and Affidavits of Documents are due 30 days later.

[Update from May 6: Ogilvy Renault, the law firm which launched the case has asked for an extension of 15 days to reply to the Defense. They claim delays due to breakdown of email servers, blackberry communication, travel of senior lawyer, time difference with Paris etc...The more delays in this file, the more damage it creates to the reputation of the Ismaili community, the Imam and the defendants. It is to the advantage of all parties that this case be withdrawn from the courts.]

[Update from June 22: Defendants have filed a Motion for summary Judgement to have the case dismissed.]

[Update from September 5:
Online Book that gathers court materials as well as articles that are currently available for the ongoing 2010 Lawsuit:

Copyright Lawsuit 2010: Online Book of All available Materials
News on cross-examinations:
Copyright Lawsuit: CROSS_EXAMINATIONS Table of Contents - 2010-09-04
Latest Development
Copyright Lawsuit: Imam Appears for Discovery and Ends the Case - 2010-10-15
As users are asking to read the letters from Nagib and Alnaz on the court docket, the latest have been attached on the following link:
A. Various Court Filings

Revised Factums have been posted Here:
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment : Plaintiffs Revised Combined Factums of Reply and of Motion
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment: Defendants' Revised Factums of Motion and of Reply

There has been proven fraud in the recent past in the Aga Khan's domain by the Aga Khan's agents:
Aga Khan Lawsuit: Fraud at Aga Khan Studs - 2000-02-22

2011-05-25: A Jamati Member who has never met the Defendants volunteered as his brotherly duty to pay the $30,000 that was demanded in the Plaintiff''s submissions and that was accordingly ordered by the judge.
Read the full details of the $30,000 payment directly to H.H. The Aga Khan.

2011-06-16: The Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law against the Summary Judgment has been filed in court by the defendants on June 16th, 2011.
Read the Full Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law

Link to Court Docket Case T-514-10
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-60-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-59-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-156-13

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Comments

@ My Common Reply to Recent Posts ...!

Dear All on Recent Comments Here , Ya Ali Madad ,

Question asked here is simle by Dear Mr. Gafoor , that ,

" i have a question. If a leader is appointed by our Imam to serve the Jamat and the Imam and the appointed leader is not serving the Jamat fairly and is protected by other leaders, does the jamat have a right to remove the leader from their office? As CAB UK and ICAB have said that they do not have jurisdiction on some of these leaders as they are above the constitution. So what rights do the Jamat have in these issues? "

and , i have replied my opinion - simply , that , no member of jamats has any right any where , to remove any appointed by MHI ....! , so let me know first , that , what wrong i have written ? ,
.......offence - moral turpitude etc are not part of the question , what wrong in appointments is being done any level is different thing , rights with boards members to remove any appointed has got different reasons - back grounds , it is not rights with jamats ,
so , i want only to know , whether jamats - any jamati members has any constitutional right to remove any appointed by MHI , if he / she is not working fairly , and ,if protected by other leaders ? ,
i hope some body comes with clear reply , on said issue ! ,

@ My Common Reply to Recent Posts ...!

As I said in my earlier post lets get down to the core of the problem, for example I have said lets get them excommunicate or removed, and you keep on missing the point How will you get your point across, whether appointed by MHI or any other leader, if the person is of concern how will you let the higher authority know that the problem exists. Just give me a suggestion. HOW WILL YOU SAVE AN IMPRISONED PRINCESS if a hungry lion is at the gate?????????? If I have no right to fire someone atleast I have the right to complain, or take my tasbhi and start chanting YA ALI YA ALI.

Can u please tell me If as a MUSLIM ISMAILI (as Islam as foundation and CORE) gives you and me and all Muslims to rise against all or any injustice, prejudice and PERMISSION even go to war TO FREELY practice your faith, how come we ar talking about NO RIGHT TO THIS NO RIGHT FOR THAT. There are only 2 reasons for this misunderstanding:

1) Either the CONSTITUTTION HAS BIG FLAWS AND LOOPHOLES.
2) We have been brain washed not to look in that direction (or you will turn to stone) or simply we do not want to UNDERSTAND the MISUNDERSTANDING we are facing today.

YA ALI MADAD.

The problem is not with the Constitution

The problem is not with the Constitution, it is with people who are supposed to protect it but instead who do a mockery of the Ismaili Institution, that includes ICAB.

On March 19th, 2013 librarian-umed says:

UMED I know that and completely and whole heartedly believe so and agree with your defination. but my problem is why are we still not trying hard enough to get out of this CACOON of make beliefs. When will we start comparing apples with apples.

ya ali madad

If Hazar Imam appoints a

If Hazar Imam appoints a Leader and says that the Leader can be removed only by Hazar Imam, then only Hazar Imam can remove that Leader.

If Hazar Imam asks Leaders to recommend a leader who Hazar Imam accepts, and Hazar Imam then tells them that the leader can be removed by them by for example a vote of 2/3rd majority of that Board. Then the Leaders can remove him , and they must follow what Hazar Imam has said and Imams Farmans.

What Hazar Imam has said in Farmans which includes our constitution must be respected and followed by them and the Jamat.

On March 18th, 2013 Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani (not verified)

Ya ali madad Mansoor bhai: I keep reading and every time this word " RIGHT/S " all i hear is as ismailies we do not have the right of this or that, My question is very simple WHAT RIGHT DO WE HAVE AS AN ISMAILI ???????????

We have no RIGHT to MHI firmans we can only have what the big boys think we should have, we have no right to a printed copy of the firmans by the so called ITREB, it is their job to furnish us the materials which they do not do. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING.

We do not have the right to question the leaders because they are hand picked or appointed by MHI, are you saying they are infallible? just because they have been SELECTED and not ELECTED gives them IMMUNITY. What does the constitution say about selection process NO BANKRUPT, NO CONVICTION, who is checking backgrounds, I see many people holding positions or working with leadership and getting selected inspite of their conviction and bankruptcy. and further more people with moral issues like running away with young girls while still in leadership, I still see them on the front line. and you suggest we have NO SAYS. I have seen the system of NANDI turning into a commercial venture with my very own eyes within the last 10 years by our so called selected leaders. FOR GOD'S SAKE GIVE ME A BREAK.

Because of this kind of stupid mentality that has been PLANTED in us by our missionaries and leaders, you are suggesting we are ROBOTS. Please explain is this a religion we are talking about or an ENTERPRISE.

Here are some suggestions and what I think is wrong is the MENTAL ATTITUDE, when there is a concern or an incident we talk about, all we do is mix the CORE of the problem with a lot of issues and lose the debate. What we have to do is to take the issue with merits but people here confuse things here with different angles and mostly spiritual angles which has got nothing to do with that problem. We should learn to STRIP the problem to it core heart and then try to think and ponder on it, instead all we do is confuse it even more.

Relegious concern should be handled with relegious mentality, administrative problem with the law and COMMON SENSE, but now here you are suggesting WE HAVE NO RIGHTS. Has any one in here ever suggested MHI is WRONG or he made a MISTAKE, NO NO NO and NO, just because we are ismailies we should act like those 3 monkeys, one with eyes closed the other with his ears and the third one sealing his lips. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS THE BIGGEST SEVA TO THE COMMUNITY.

A very personal question i want to ask how do you treat a beggar in the street, and how will you treat the beggar if he is an Ismaili, differently of course right. But that process of differentiating you are missing the most common point that they are both NEEDY, HUNGRY OR HOMELESS and you favoring one to another would be a disaster, not moral not according to the teaching of ISLAM.

ya ali madad

The Jamat can not remove the Appointees

The Jamat can not remove the leader but the institutions, through their members, can vote and throw out a member at the majority vote. So LIF can dismiss SS for example and if Nanji does not respect his oath of office, the other ICAB members can vote him out of his position. This is what has been allowed by the Imam according to my reading of that article 36.

Practically you can understand that this does not happen. And it is wrong not to apply the provisions of the Constitution for personal reasons.

Mukhis and Kamadias must

Mukhis and Kamadias must have all Farmans. If not how can they fullfill this Farman
“ Mukhis and Kamadias represent the Imam of the time. They represent the Imam in the Jamat Khanna, and if they represent the Imam then it is their responsibility to see that the Imams Farmans are fulfilled by the Jamat, and to explain these Farmans to the Jamat. I have made this Farman about unity in the Jamat, and I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to ensure and to do everything possible that there is unity in my Jamat. I have made Farmans about cooperation. Cooperation between local institution and central institutions, I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to do everything possible to see that up country institutions coordinate properly with the central institutions. I have made Farmans about attendance in Jamat Khanna, I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to ensure that the Jamat is regular in its prayers and attendance in Jamat Khanna. These are the matters where My Mukhis and Kamadias who are representing the Imam, must ensure that the Jamat responds, and understands the reasons for which these Farmans have been made” 9 January 1978

How can they explain and how can the Jamat understand let alone fulfill farmans when they do not have and are not given the Farmans.? Do this also not mean that Imam wishes them all to have all Farmans ?

On March 18th, 2013 salim (not verified) says

Very well said Salim.

But there is a big difference what you say and expects from the MUKHIs and KAMARIAS from what mukhis and kamarias were few decades ago. The core meaning of their authority has been changed by the appointed leadership. Now in todays term if you look the authority of mukhis are like CHIEF OPERATING MANAGERS and they cannot interpret and implement the firmans of MHI in spite being the MHI right hand. Now let me tell you what their functions are: who ever the ITREB send to JK for a lecture, whether that lecture any material or the rituals and rites and ceremonies which is morally or ISLAMICALLY wrong, whether right words in the ginan is used or not whether the duas is said right or wrong they cannot or have no right to stop it even though the inner senses of theirs agree it is wrong.

Now today if you pose a question like (why did we dropped SALAWAT FOR RUHANI SALVATION suggest by Imam Sultan Mohammed Shah still today being recited in his fiman on chandrat to ASTAGAFHIR ULLAH RABI WA TUBU ILLAHI which means you are asking salvation for yourself and noT the RUHANIES ) to your Mukhi saheb the reply would be let me consult with the council or itreb,AND YOU WILL NEVER GET YOUR ANSWER. Today's function of the mukhi saheb is to have a switch to control the lighting in the JK have a thermostat under their pat to control the temprature, I am not making it up it is a fact in 2013. I challenge you, take a wara for let say you wanna say the DUA and you can use as many words that are not in the dua and no one will challenge you not mukhi or itreb or the council, why,
because all we have are few dumb or unqualified (WHO LOVES THE LIMELIGHT) yes men or _ _ _ kissers selected for the job and are thrown on us as MHI's selections, so no question please you have no rights. Lets us all think A MAN WHO IS RUNNING AN IMAMAT WITH HIS HUMANLY WELL EDUCATED INTELLECT AND ON TOP OF, THE DIVINE INTELLECT " WA QUL HU ASAINA ASAINA FI IMAM-E-MUBIN " would appoint people like we are today being suggested??????????????

Even those individuals when they are hiring or selecting individuals for their personal business perform a background check, qualifications, past experiences, convictions or criminal records etc. and then offer the job to thos who would accept pays 25% less than the market rate and if it is wintertime and you are sitting idle in the office send you to thier home to remove snow from thier driveway, so when they come home they can have a fresh untired wife waiting for them.

YA ALI MADAD

Our Constitutional Companies

I see many more are interested to know and understand. I wrote the following letter. I have not received the information or a reply. I reminded them, and this is a part of the many reasons I filed a complaint, which is presently with ICAB.

Sent: 16 June 2012 10:52 To: Vazir Shafik Sachedina; Vazir Dr Azim Lakhani Chairman LIF; UK President Amin Mawji OBE ; Amyn Kassim-Lakha Global Head of Councils & ITREBS; Sadru Datoo - Global head of Budgets and finances ; Shiraz Kabani Vice President UK and IIS; Farhad Daftary IIS ; Vazir E Rupani LIF EO, and DJI-IIS.

Subject: AKDN - structure, companies, institutions and information

I am trying to understand the structure, agencies and companies within “our” institutions and or under "our" constitution, which are for, and for the benefit of, the Jamat. I have researched and obtained some information from the internet and websites including AKDN.

Can you please share the following with me;

1 Where does IIS fit into the AKDN structure and please share copies of the annual reports from 2007 to date. (see attached where IIS is not specifically mentioned – Presumably under AKF)

2 The annual reports for AKF – Some of the consolidated AKF reports up to 2006 are on the AKDN website (attached). Can you please therefore also share with me the following specifically.

a. copies of the annual consolidated reports from 2007 to 2011 (and 2012 if available). If these do not include the figures for Micro finance and Trust & culture, then please share copies of those with me.
b. How many of the 80,000 staff are Ismaili (by country). I am assume this figure of 80, 000 is current and for all the AKDN, Not for Profit agencies ?
c. The numbers of Ismailies volunteers and or man hours (excluding TKN), and also the TKN hours used (total and by country)
d. The numbers of Ismailies who have benefited in total from AKDN-AKF (including Micro Finance and Trust/Culture)
i. Directly by country
ii. Indirectly by country

3 Similar to AKF annual reports , can you please share the consolidated annual reports for AKDN. (I appreciate that some selected individual agencies reports are on the AKDN website.

4 Similarly for AKFED. I note 63 companies are mentioned in total in the attached. In the attached AKFED brochure there are 79 companies. The total staff is stated as about 35000 + in the AKDN fact sheet (attached). Above over 80,000 staff.

a. Please let me have the latest number of staff and the same information as above (2, b, c & d)
b. list of all the present companies country wise as in the AKFED report for 2006 (attached)
c. A list of the senior management and directors of each of the companies

If you are passing this to anyone to provide the information please let me know or If you want me to approach anyone else please let me know too.

As you know I am waiting for the missing parts of our constitution, and or related confirmation. Can you please respond and let me know.

I look forward to hearing from you and assume all Presidents and members of LIF have the information and copies I have requested.

If as a member of the Jamat, I am not entitled to any of the information I am seeking, then can you please let me know and share the related reasons/documents/farmans with me.

Kind regards and Ya Ali madad

Mahebub Chatur

Reminder and Clarification

I have sent the following reminder to our Leaders today, including ICAB and NCAB UK.

Quote

" I have still not received a response. This is a part of the reasons, & evidence in my complaints. Can you also clarify that the “Ismaili Imamat” is a formal and or, our constitutional institution ordained by Hazar Imam, and, which is distinct and separate from Hazar Imam as Imam e Zaman, or personally.

Therefore for example, the agreements with Alberta, in October 2012, (by Firoz Rasul), and Mali, (by Shafik Sachedina), were signed on behalf of the “Ismaili Imamat” as an Institution. They and others therefore have delegated authority to sign documents on behalf of the “Ismaili Imamat” (as distinct from signing on behalf of Hazar Imam personally, or as Imam)

Can you also let us know the Board and executive committee members of this institution. I assume this is the Apex - highest body - Institution, under and within our constitution and it institutional structures.

The constitution is of the Jamat and for the Jamat. The full constitution, and all the changes, including related Farmans and reports must be given to all Leaders and all members of the Jamat. If that is not correct please let me know and let me have the relevant and related Farmans and the constitutional documents.

Kind regards and Ya Ali madad

Mahebub Chatur"

On March 18th, 2013 M Chatur (not verified) says:

Ya ali madad:

In the oath that is being taken by the leaders and volunteers, it is asked by the oath taker to perform according to the constittution, when on the other hand, no one has been given a copy of the constitution prior of taking the oath. No one know what is our constitution is or even seen it,It have become a norm like privacy policy nobody reads on the internet or facebook or twitter, just click on the I ACCEPT BUTTON.

This is another malicious and ill intent on the part of our appointed leadership being sweept under the rugs.

YA ALI MADAD

Mr Mansoorali The following

Mr Mansoorali

The following will also help you to know and understand; Hazar Imam wants the Jamat to seek and understand how AKDN and  “our” institutions are directly benefiting the Jamat, and what  opportunities have been created in the many  countries, and how they are countries of opportunity for the Jamat.  
 “… SEEK from “YOUR ” institutions competence, effectiveness, answerability, forethought, these are the qualities that you should be seeking in “YOUR” institutions, but not perfection.. …” November 15, 1992.

The primary reason and role for AKDN   “..…. in deciding to let this network come into place …   I wish to share … First, any area of activity has to benefit the Jamat Immediately, or in the readily foreseeable future. If we had existing institutions already in place, any new initiative has to compliment them. Such activities have to be  have a recognisable, beneficial national impact. “  11 July 2007

Why is Imam telling this to the Jamat ? So that if the Leaders are not doing what Imam is telling them then other Leaders and the Jamat must ask and if necessary ask them to resign or vote them out of the Boards.

Question - Changing leaders

Question and Answer as Received. - Do you agree ?

Question
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM, gafoor:
I have a question. If a leader is appointed by our Imam to serve the Jamat and the Imam and the appointed leader is not serving the Jamat fairly and is protected by other leaders, does the jamat have a right to remove the leader from their office? As CAB UK and ICAB have said that they do not have jurisdiction on some of these leaders as they are above the constitution. So what rights do the Jamat have in these issues?

Answer

Good question Gafoor. Yes, the Jamat can remove such Leaders. Let me explain.
The reason they have not, is because the Jamat do not know. The reason they do not know, is because the related information, Farmans , speeches, and the full constitution are selectively blocked and changed. We also know the Jamat are misinformed ( for example the 2 LIF announcements and What Hazar Imam said in the GJ London Farman )
The Jamat are supposed to, and do recommend who should be appointed. But the process has been changed by the few, to a pyramid type of control and command process. This is closely managed with an iron fist. Transparency and consensus is not followed to the letter or the spirit. Especially, when it comes to the key positions.
Sadly and gradually the very system has been taken over and perfected to a fine art by the same "inner circle" They collectively exercise absolute and effective control of the key and strategic positions including the 100 plus of the “Jamats” constitutional companies, funds, & AKDN . Who appoints them ? . The inner circle, & especially the key positions.
The gross assets today, excluding Hazar Imam's personal assets and funds are over $10 billion. Did you not know? If Shafik Sachedina and his inner circle had not filed the lawsuit , and if not for the internet and Nagib Tajdin, the Jamat would not have known. We know Nagib has been selflessly seriving the Jamat since 1992.
Who do you think wanted us to know. Why did Hazar Imam not say I am the plaintiff , but gave directions for 30 minutes on 15th Oct 2010? You need to reflect and then do what Imam is asking you to do.
Those who are recommended by the inner circle are those who are from their inner circle and who are proverbially the “yes” circle and focused on sharing the proverbial booty (strategic positions, budgets and benefits/gains).
Hence the musical chairs and the multi appointments, multi interests and multi positions. Plus of course the secrecy and special project appointments and those budgets. The appointment process and even then names of all those serving in the Jamats 100 plus companies, is not shared with the Jamat nor are all the financial reports. In most countries you cannot even get contact details of your own leaders. as you know. We do not get a report to say how many Ismailies, how many of the inner circle and how many non Ismailies are benefiting every year from the billions being spent by the Jamats Institutions and companies.
Like many others in the “inner circle”, Shafik Sachedina for example has 16 multi- positions with multi interests. He says he is also heading DJI, DDA and “Imamat" which is an Institution of the Jamat and for and for the benefit of the Jamat , (not to be confused with Hazar Imam as "Imam" or "personally")
Sachedina and others sign on behalf of the "Ismaili Imamat” (The constitutional Institution). They hide the true and complete constitutional companies, boards, core committees, funds and related structure in order to confuse and block the Jamat and others.
When we are told by them that Hazar Imam has appointed some of the Leaders's under our constitution, we are told to take their word for it. We are told only Hazar Inam can remove them. Not correcrt complete or true.

Hazar Imam has told us to seek and verify what we are told. Hazar Imam said for example that the leaders are not telling you what Imam is telling them to tell you. To seek competence accountability and answerability. Why does Imam say this If Imam does not want the Jamat to do so? You must reflect carefully on this.

What happens today in the appointments process generally? The Jamat locally and nationally recommends a few names. They go to your the President. He has the right to change and or add more names and what he goes is secretive and does not share except with the select few. The right of the Jamat has been replaced at this stage of the process. Then the President discusses them informally with DJI - Shafik Sachedina who gets involved with Huzur who are appointed for Life. The inner circle takes over informally and they decide behind the scenes. There is no transparency.
When the top National Leaders meet Hazar Imam every 3 years, for the End of term meeting. Shafik Sachedina and the core inner circle are present and anyone who does not toe the line is quickly spoken to, or excluded from the inner circle immediately or marginalized. They have been previously tested, before they are included in the first place.

The yearly appointments are all done by the inner circle, and there are no annual meetings with national leaders specifically for this.

Recently I asked Shiraz Kabani about his 10 multi positions in UK. He said they are given under the constitution - Where in the constitution and rules which say the vice President of UK must have 10 multi positions. I have not been provided with the full and complete constitution or where it says about the multi positions with multi interests and or conflicts of interests.
When the names they have agreed are given to Hazar Imam with the reports. Hazar Imam confirms the appointments recommended by them. They confirm to Hazar Imam that those recommended are the best appointees and unanimously agreed by consensus with the National and local Leaders and therefore also the Jamat.

Hazar Imam does not select, remove or replace Leaders. Hazar Imam has given this responsibility under our constitution to our Institutional Boards. Can the leaders tell me which Leader has Hazar Imam removed without a specific recommendation from their Boards? Do all Leaders know the process and the ground reality? Have they seen the related Farmans with Imams annotations regrading the process.
To appoint a new Ismaili, or to excommunicate, & suspend a murid, Hazar Imam has also given that responsibility to our institutional Boards, and there is a process. You can see what NCAB and ICAB are not doing. When it comes to the inner circle, they are treated as being above the constitutions and Farmans. How can they be sure what they are being told, is what Imam is telling them ,without having Farmans and Imams annotations ?
The solution is for Leaders and staff down the line to seek and share the truth, including Farmans, annotations, our constitution and reports. You need to question critique, and verify what you are told. Especially if you know or think that is not what Imam says in Farmans. Imam also says you must use your intellect.
After going to NCAB and ICAB the next legal steps may become necessary before the inner circle stop blocking and gives to the Jamat what belongs to the Jamat including especially the full constitution, all Farmans, and all our constitutional reports. We know NCAB and ICAB are not what they are saying and what Hazar |Imam is saying in Farmans.

If you really want change, you must be the change you want - so each one of us needs to seek, share and help by doing what Imam says in Farmans. Not what Sachedina says when you know, that is not what Imam is telling him to tell us ( GJ London Farmans - which he and the inner circle deleted from the Farman)

Let us change, and work together selflessly in the collective interest of all the Jamat, not for the selective interest of the few, and their multi positions and multi interests.

If I am wrong on any of the above I request the leaders to clarify what is the correct process and the facts. And if you are not in the inner circle do you have all the Farmans , annotations, reports, or the full constitution and constitutional reports.

Ya Ali Madad and Navroz Mubarak

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@ allumini

Very very good article, thank you indeed, This is what I have been asking in all my previous postings but unfortunatley our ismaili brothers and sisters are still under the SPELL of these leaders, This is the first response that I am satisfied with other wise all the responses I got so far for many of my postings was attacks and marginalization from the SPIRITUALLY CONCIOUS brothers and sisters, I hope this is an AWAKENING for them.

This is the first reply in connections to my WHO IS WHO posting, and I hope few more people will get their testerone high enough and guts to share some more inside workings of our jamati leaderships.

What I thiink is we ismailies are a Nation like Jews, hindus etc. but we are little different from them we have our Imam as our leader and caliph, we have our own flag ( which has been copyrighted by our leaders of jamat they restrict us even from using the colors in combinations at our own festivals but cannot say a single word or even file a lawsuit against GUCCI and many ITALIAN COMPANIES using the same combination as of FLAG) we have our own constitution (nobody has a copy of) but what we do not have is a country, I am glad we do not have our own country if we do and we have this SS and company as prime minister and hold all the top positions, and in the international survey of most corrupted nations we would be on top beating NIGERIA, PAKISTAN AND INDIA.

So my request to all you keeping this topic going and share as much as you can about our leaders, maybe few more postings like this will atleast make few of the leaders realize the INJUSTICE and DISSERVICE they are blessing the jamat with. May be few will have a rude awakening and RESIGN or few many JOIN THIS FORUM and turn their disservice to service and may find SALVATION. But all this demands GUTS ( i can use many words in my writing which will make people jump from their seats and do the right things) but for now just use GUTS.

YA ALI MADAD
NAVROZ MUBARAK.

companies - who are in key positions

The following are companies of the Jamat and for the benefit of the Jamat in different parts of the world. These are in addition the National Councils and Boards including ICAB, LIF, GRBS , NCABS etc - CAN YOU TELL US WHO ARE HOLDING THE KEY POSITIONS IN THESE INSTITUTIONS OF THE JAMAT ? and who are holding multi positions ?

Country United Kingdom ( Multi positions - S Sachedina, S Kabani, Naguib Kheraj, M Keshavjee, Z Mehgji, Azim Lakhani, Amin Mawjji, and others within special projects)
Institute of Ismaili Studies Research , training, and publications, in particular regarding the Shia Imami Ismaili Tariquah of Islam – (Not a single publication on Ismaili rites and ceremonies or Imams farmans or Speeches )
Islamic Publications limited – Publication of books for Institute of Ismaili Studies
AKF UK Limited - Charity and part of AKDN
Focus Humanitarian UK
Imama UK limited _ Propery and holding companies for all properties held by the Jamat and our institutional companies
Aga Kkan University London Limited – part of AKU
CFR 4 UK - charity for the collection of funds from the Jamat and spending for the Jamat in UK
Madad UK - Nursing home and flats for the Jamat in London – “Jubilee court”
ITALY
Meridiana spa - 89.9% Airline.
Country Company Field of Activity
Afghanistan Telecom Development Company Afghanistan Ltd - Roshan
Location: Kabul GSM mobile telecommunications
Tourism Promotion Services (Afghanistan) Ltd
Location: Kabul Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
Bangladesh Industrial Promotion Services (Bangladesh) Ltd.
Location: Dhaka Development institution
Industrial Promotion and Development Company of Bangladesh Ltd
Location: Dhaka Development Finance Company
Burkina Faso
Air Burkina s.a.
Location: Ouagadougou Airline
Faso Coton
Location: Ouagadougou Cotton ginning and agricultural extension services
Fasoplast s.a.
Location: Ouagadougou Production of polypropylene bags and plastic moulded products
Sosuco s.a.
Location: Banfora Sugar production /
Sugar Cane Plantation
Canada Industrial Promotion Services Ltd
Location: Toronto Venture Capital company
Acorn Packaging Ltd
Location: Toronto Printing and packaging
Mayfield Toyota Ltd
Location: Edmonton Automobile dealerships
Country Hills Ltd
Location: Edmonton Automobile dealerships
T&T Honda Ltd
Location: Calgary & Edmonton Automobile dealerships
Congo (Democratic Republic of the) Industrial Promotion
Services (Congo) sarl
Location: Kinshasa Development institution
Masal sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of matches
Metalu sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of aluminium frames and household goods
Sotral sprl
Location: Likasi Manufacture of aluminium and copper household goods
Socembal sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of metal drums
Trefilkin sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of wire products
Côte d’Ivoire Industrial Promotion
Services (West Africa) s.a.
Location: Abidjan Development institution
Azito Energie s.a.
Location: Abidjan Power generation
Chimtec s.a.
Location: Abidjan Marketing company (chemicals)
Fibako-Ivoirembal s.a.
Location: Bouaké Production of sisal and synthetic cordage, polypropylene cloth and bags
*Filtisac Côte d’Ivoire s.a.
Location: Abidjan Production of jute and polypropylene bags, and other industrial packaging
Ivoire Coton s.a.
Location: Abidjan Cotton ginneries and agricultural extension services
Sisep s.a.
Location: Abidjan Production of plastic bottles and jerry cans
India Development Credit Bank Ltd
Location: Mumbai Banking
Platinum Jubilee Investments Ltd
Location: Mumbai Investments
Kenya Industrial Promotion Services (Kenya) Ltd
Location: Nairobi Development institution
Allpack Industries Ltd
Location: Nairobi Manufacture of high quality corrugated carton packaging and polypropelene bags
Alltex EPZ Ltd
Location: Nairobi Garment-making
Farmer’s Choice Ltd
Location: Nairobi Meat processing
Frigoken Ltd
Location: Nairobi Vegetable processing for export
Kamyn Industries Ltd
Location: Mombasa Manufacture of hosiery
Kenya Litho Ltd
Location: Nairobi Commercial printing and packaging
Leather Industries of Kenya Ltd
Location: Thika Processing of raw hides to finished leather
Premier Food Industries Ltd
Location: Nairobi Processing and canning of fruits and vegetables
Tsavo Power Company Ltd
Location: Mombasa Power generation
Wire Products Ltd
Location: Nairobi Manufacture of wire products and agricultural tools
* Tourism Promotion Services Ltd
Location: Nairobi Tourism Promotion
Tourism Promotion Services (Management) Ltd
Location: Nairobi Manager of tourism facilities
* Diamond Trust Bank Kenya Ltd
Location: Nairobi Banking
* The Jubilee Insurance Company Ltd Life and general insurance
Property Development and Management Ltd
Location: Nairobi Property owner/manager
* Nation Media Group Ltd
Location: Nairobi Media
Kyrgyz Republic Kyrgyz Investment and Credit Bank Ltd
Location: Bishkek Investment and credit banking
Madagascar Fanasoavana s.a.
Location: Antananarivo Financial services
Mali Compagnie Aérienne du Mali
Location: Bamako Airline
Embalmali s.a.
Location: Bamako Production of polypropylene woven bags and other synthetic packaging
Energie du Mali s.a.
Location: Bamako Power and Water Generation
Mauritius Jubilee Insurance (Mauritius) Ltd
Location: Port Louis Life and general insurance
Mozambique Hotel Polana Ltda
Location: Maputo Tourism promoter, hotel owner
Pakistan Industrial Promotion Services
(Pakistan) Ltd
Location: Karachi Development institution
Tourism Promotion Services
(Pakistan) Ltd
Location: Karachi Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
Habib Bank Ltd. Banking
* New Jubilee Insurance Company Ltd
Location: Karachi General insurance
New Jubilee Life Insurance Company Ltd
Location: Karachi Life insurance
Senegal Cofisac s.a.
Location: Dakar Production of polypropylene
Fumoa s.a.
Location: Dakar Production of metal drums and plastic moulded products
Switzerland Industrial Promotion Services s.a.
Location: Geneva Industrial management services
Serena Tourism Promotion
Services s.a.
Location: Geneva Tourism management services
Tajikistan Indigo Tajikistan Cjsc
Location: Dushanbe GSM mobile
PamirEnergy Ojsc
Location: Khorog Power generation
Somoncom Cjsc
Location: Khurjand GSM Mobile
Tourism Promotion Services
(Tajikistan) Ojsc
Location: Dushanbe Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
Tanzania Industrial Promotion Services (Tanzania) Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Development institution
Moshi Leather
Industries Ltd
Location: Moshi Processing of raw hides to finished leather
TLL Printing &
Packaging Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Commercial printing and packaging, corrugated cartons, multi-wall sacks and paper mill
Tourism Promotion Services
(Tanzania) Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Tourism promoter, hotel and lodge owner and manager
Tourism Promotion Services
(Zanzibar) Ltd
Location: Zanzibar Tourism promoter and hotel owner and manager
Diamond Trust Bank Tanzania Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Banking
The Jubilee Insurance Company of Tanzania Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam General Insurance
Mwananchi Communications Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Print media and radio
Uganda Industrial Promotion Services
(Uganda) Ltd
Location: Kampala Development institution
Bujagali Energy Limited
Location: Jinja Hydro power production
Kampala Pharmaceuticals
Industries Ltd
Location: Kampala Manufacture of pharmaceutical products
Leather Industries of Uganda Ltd
Location: Jinja
Processing of raw skins and hides to finished leather
Uganda Fishnet Manufacturers Ltd
Location: Kampala Manufacture of fishnets
West Nile rural Electrification Co.
Location: Arua
Rural electrification
Diamond Jubilee Investment Trust
Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Investment company
Diamond Trust Bank Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Banking
Diamond Trust Properties Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Property owner/manager
The Jubilee Insurance Company of Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Life and general insurance
Jubilee Investments Company Ltd
Location: Kampala Property owner/manager
The Monitor
Publications Ltd
Location: Kampala Print media and radio
Tourism Promotion Services (Uganda) Ltd
Location: Kampala Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
AKDN
AKA Aga Khan Academies
AKAM Aga Khan Agency for Microfinance
AKES Aga Khan Education Services
AKF Aga Khan Foundation
AKFED Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development
AKHS Aga Khan Health Services
AKPBS Aga Khan Planning and Building Services
AKTC Aga Khan Trust for Culture
AKU Aga Khan University
FOCUS Focus Humanitarian Assistance
UCA University of Central Asia

No Right to Change except MHI , when Appointed by MHI ....!

Dear Allumni and Gafoor , Ya Ali Madad ,

Without going into other - further details of this correspondence , first of all , i would clearly say , that , any body appointed by MHI , if not working or not working properly , then , Right to Change him /her , is with MHI only , and , not with anybody of jamats , any where , in any form , any time , and , i hope jamats should not be misguded on this point , that , jamats or any jamati members has any such right/s to change any leader/s , my iman does not permit me doing so , or , even thinking so , and , me or we are doing nothing to change any body , may he be SS , MM or Any Local Member Any Where , we are doing anything / everything , to bring only changes , in person/s and system only , .....and , showing creation of such rights in jamats is nothing , but , Challenging the Rights of MHI only , .....if i am doing anything , i have no personal griviences with any leader/s , except to bring changes in them and in system only , and , if any body is dreaming of changing any body from his /her post , if appointed by MHI , and , then thinking him/her self on that seat , then , one should understand , that , it is never possible , except , MHI , is wishing so , .....that's all ....... ya ali madad ..............!

Mr Manssorbhai - Do you

Mr Manssorbhai -

Do you have any Farmans or in the constitution where it says Imam selects, appoints and removes leaders ? or that Leaders cannot remove other Leaders. There are many Leaders who have been removed by SS and co since 1992. You also know they are not even giving you Farmans or the constitution ? Why ? Doid Imam tell them not to ? If they are lying in that case what makes you think they are not lying in this case.

Imam says clearly you must ask and the Leaders are not teling you - Why is Imam telling the Jamat ? When you are doing what Imam is asking, you are Farmanbardari, and you are not challenging the Imam - Like in your court cases - you are asking and seeking what Imam says in Farmans you must seek and get.

They want to put an extra veil of confusion between the Jamat and the Imam - You know Nagib has submitted evidence of forgerines. ICAB is saying the constitution and law does not apply to S Sachedina ? Therefore ICAN and S Sachedina are above the constitution and the Law. On the other hnd you have rightly gone to the Courts. Some will soon take them to the Court, lie you said we need a court order because they are not beyond the constitution and the law.

On March 17th, 2013 Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani (not verified)

YA ALI MADAD Mansoor bhai; i just responded to ALLUMIni posting and if your posting would have been posted 5 minutes earlier it could have saved me some time. Well anyway, Are you serious about what you wrote, I just cannot believe it. are you suggesting we are just ROBOTS, then please tell me if we are not then what the hell are we doing are we following a TRIQUAH whose foundation is in the ISLAM, is this SIRAT-UL-MUSTQIM you are suggesting, or all this, combine and become A CRIME SYNDICATE OR CRIME INCORPORATED, in which IF YOU CANNOT FIGHT THE INJUSTICE THEN JOIN THEM. WOW . UMED is right in his posting to this regard.

Now you suggest us HOW WILL YOU GET THIS NEWS ABOUT HIS APPOINTED LEADER'S CORRUPTION, DISSERVICE AND MISTRUST GETS TO THE HAZAR IMAM?? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE THE SLEEPING PILLS TO THE GATE KEEPER/S so that your mail get through. Let me tell you very frankly in a proverb, whether you agree or not have you heard this URDU proverb: " RAZIA GUNDO MAY PHAS GAYEE HAI "

Here is my million dollar question: In our history all the IMAMs 48 of them didn't they all have his most loyal murids as thier personal body gaurds, If you cannot get a simple letter to the MHI without SS and company reading it first and they decide what MHI should read and not read, tell me how are you going to tell MHI that there is corruption mafia working right under his nose?? Just answer that. and if your answer is he is EVERKNOWING then do not waste your time. That is the only reason why few months back I raised the question in this forum "" we take tylenol if we have a headache what does MHI do when he has a headache "" nobody got my point in that question instead few stupid spiritiually elevated souls thought they are smarter and attacked me, well they got their answers if the moderator did not hold few of my postings back.

Please real problems need real solutions, POOR MAN THINKS MAWLA WILL SOLVE HIS POVERTY BUT HE NEVER REALIZES, HE IS POOR BECAUSE OF HIS OWN ACTIONS. THAT IS THE REASON WHY SOME RICH FOLKS TEACHES THEIR KIDS "" SEE WHAT A POOR MAN IS DOING AND DO NOT EVER FOLLOW IT BECAUSE THAT IS THE REASON WHY HE IS POOR '''"

YA ALI MADAD

Is not history full of

Is not history full of examples of Imams and Dais's dying and being assainated by their top leaders of the time - or those who pretended they were ?

Did not Imam say recently we must learn from our history and the reason we preserve our heritage is to learn and benefit from them.

Moral Turpitude

Not it is not true. There is a Constitutional process to remove a leader that for example has been caught in moral turpitude or bankruptcy. These are Constitutional processes approved by Mowlana Hazar Imam Himself and there is no need to ask him again and again before applying it.

Hazar Imam has approved these constitutional processes to remove even people that He has appointed but which later betray the Imam and the community by their actions.

Moral Turpitude includes forging Hazar Imam's signature, attempting to murder him, his son or his Murid, attempting to misuse or appropriate funds that belongs to the Imam etc....

ICAB does not apply constitutional processes, not because they do not know about it but because these processes are detrimental to their relations and friends. For example if Nanji and Sachedina are involved in Commercial and Financial or family relations, Nanji will certainly do his possible to protect Sachedina from any proceeding against him even if SS has betrayed the Imam.

what is that process , if , mentioned in our constitution ....?

Dear Umed . Ya Ali Madad ,
Well , with due respect to you personally , let me know , what is the process , if mentioned in our constitution , if any tning any such wrong/s , done by - any of any leader/s , and , if found guilty of any criminal offences even ? , has any right/s with jamats - jamati members to remove/ replace him /her ,except , MHI , if appointed by MHI ? , ................ya ali madad ........!

process approved by the Imam to dismiss an appointee

http://ismaili.net/source/legal-documents/1998-ismaili-rules-and-regulat...

Moral Turpitude is article 36.1H

This section Article 36 covers the cases in which a person can be suspended, if he cease to be of sound mind, if an appointee cease to be an Ismaili, or is convicted etc....

You have not read the

You have not read the constitution carefully. I realise they have not given you the Indian constitution and all the related rules and Farmans.

The above Letter to leaders has actually been sent to our leaders, and if there is anything not correct, the Leaders will clarify and give us
the Farmans and constitution which say, Hazar Imam selects the following leaders and appoints them and only Hazsr Imam can remove them - This must be new because this was not in the 1998 constitution or the rules and Farmans since. They may produce something. Remember the complaint and evidence submitted by Nagib of forgeries by Shafik Sachedina. Anything is possible.

In feb 2010 and may 2010, as you know ITREB and ICAB and NCABS have issued new rules under our constitution, Where are the Farmans that go with them and they are refusing to give the written approvals by the LIF or national councils before they submitted them to Hazar Imam. They are not saying if Hazar Imam is required to approve them or can they ? Why were these at the time of the lawsuit and not in 1998?

They are right Mansoorali

They are right Mansoorali Bhai - What Leaders tell you is not what Imam is telling them. The Top Leaders select those who are appointed snd infi Hazar Imam - see the constitutional rules on this website. If a majority of the Jamat or Leaders decide than a Leaders can be removed. Hazar Imam says in Farmans which are blocked that there must be consensus and best practice. Leaders tell you only the Imam can remove them because they don't want you to question the process or ask them for even Farmans. Look at what they are doing in your cases.

Also read 36.2 - the Boards

Also read 36.2 - the Boards can remove a Board member and they have to simply notify Hazar Imam - so when SS and Co tell you only Hazar Imam can appoint them and remove them they are not telling the truth. That is why the multi positions and musical chairs so their own people are in majority in key Boards and why they hide Farmans and constitution , and they don't tell you who are in each of the boards of the Jamats companies which belong to the Jamats as Hazar Imam says in Farmans.

My Reply to Pakifellah - U. S. A.

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani
On March 12th, 2013 Pakifellah (not verified) says:
All my life all i have seen THE IMAMAT is hurt and misused by our leaders more than any one else, whether it be a volunteer or imara leadership or ITREB or SS AND COMPANY. A very good example in todays history is right in fromt of our eye did any thing change in the world of mercenaries after the big institution changed it name from NOIR EAU to you know what. Did the crime against humanity stopped by the name change? NO.

my reply :

Dear Pakifellah , u s a , Ya Ali Madad ,
Eji Bhav Hu'a , Pan Bhakti Na Hu'i , Jivdo Uthine Chalyo Udaas ji ,

Thanks ,

Your suggestions - submissions are good , but , we can't ex communicate any body , ....and we are not intending any body to be punished , untill they them selves , force us , to get done them punihed by law ,
Intention of serving - working for , Imam - Jamats , is Important ,

i once inquired here with a travel agent , as to , i am thinking to visit U. S. A. , what could be the expenses ? ,
he replied , not a single coin ,
i was astonished , ....why ? ,
said , for Thinking only , ...no Expenses ,
...if you Really wanted to Go , then only Expenses !

i have earlier cleared here so many times , that , writing of thousands of letters - e mails , can prove you a hard labourer , but with no results , in the interest of jamats , (may be any personal interest , but , it can't be transmitted as jamati interest ,.... jamati interest should be felt by jamats and readers here ) , and , forget , that , i will do it , say , we will do it ,

we need result oriented labour , one should come here , not only with problems , but , with solutions , if you describe a person , once or thousand times or ten thousand times as bad , ....it is same only , but , by describing him bad , for thousand or ten thousand times , what you want to establish ? , that , he is bad ? , nothing else ? ,

so , try to come here , not only with complaints and suggestions only , but , come with solved problems of jamats , by you and /or others , i don't claim so , but , it does not mean , that , i can't expect from others here ,

just for information only , an example from my recent experiences here in india , .......an ismaili lady (widow ) , was in difficult condition , and , could not pay monthly high rent on leave - licence agreement for her residence with family , so she repeatedly requested for long time to mk , board members , committee members ,etc . , for to grant some loan for heavy deposit , but , no response - saying ,that , no funds for ,
during discussing with some other ismailis , she was advised to contact me , ...she met me , ...i got her written an application to one our jamati institution , ....after few days , she started receiving calls of threats from our some ' leader ' , that , soon submit apology in writing , for writing such application to our such institution , .....she was affraid , .......she informed me , .... i got her written a letter again to same institution , and , it was a time bound letter , .........within few days .....to day in the morning , she informed me , ......that , yesterday evening , she has been given said loan ,
.....this is the way to be adopted , they teach us , how jamati works could be got done ?! , .....
thank you ......ya ali madad ........!

Change & solutions

Change begins woth You ! and if you change and are willing to change first.

Are you sharing Farmans and information with others ? Most of the Jamat do not know.

Change does not come overnight or just because you have a new Leader - you are right, look at America and Egypt today ? If Shafik Sachedina resigns or all other leaders remove him from the 16 Boards. That will be Great, but only a great beginning of the Change we need.

The solution is for you to seek and share Farmans and share the truth about those who are blocking Farmans, reports and also material resources of the jamats, from the the Jamat.

The roots of all the

The roots of all the mismanagement in the community is only few people, maybe 4 or 5 and if these were to be removed, the affairs of the community would come back on the right track.

There are key positions where we need people with very high professional caliber and high level of integrity and ethics. Amongst the Key positions, I would say the Chair of LIF, ICAB, the Secretariat.. The secretaries of all main institutional bodies because they are like an interface. If the interface is corrupt, no data would go from Imamat to Jamat.

You can have 2 multimillion dollars worth of equipment but if the $5 cable between them is not functional, both would stop communicating. This is what is happening, we have extraordinary institutions in the Ismaili community, we have extraordinary people both paid and volunteers but some key positions are so corrupt that they make the whole system fail.

Especially the I-CAB which is the highest Judicial Institution on which we should be able to rely for the checks and balance but which unfortunately is the most corrupt of our institutions and the biggest failure in term of integrity and ethics..

You have hit the nail on the

You have hit the nail on the head so to speak. What is needed is for no Leader to have more than two positions at the same time. Replacing just the Chair of any or many Baords will not change anything. For exmaple they have a new Chair of LIF. The core decision makers in LIF are the same. In ICAB they have a majority of the Board in their inner circle, who are more interested in material self interest. What is needed is transparency and the key positions with new people who love the Imam and the Jamat, and for whom what Imam says is more important and for them the Jamat comes first. They will thereofre not allow, or not be tempted into holding onto the trappings of money and power for themselves and their familiy and friends. .

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani

Ya ali madad: I completely sync with your reply, but the story of that lady you quoted my question is:
1) did MHI give those leaders permission to treat his troubled murid be treated in a degrading manner.
2) did MHI give out instructions to those appointed, to THREAT and marginalised and humiliate the needy and then solve their problems.

recently I had a very close observation of a matter of divorce, and what did I saw same arrogance from the committee, one committee over riding the other saying we will drag more money out of the defendant one way or the other, while both parties are are willing to close and leave behind and move on with thier lives, and the defendant had to go to court to settle and that matter was solved so smoothly through court, I wonder why they even approach this committee in the first place, this is just one example, you are in the forefront you know all the tactics they play.

and when you say:
" so , try to come here , not only with complaints and suggestions only , but , come with solved problems of jamats , by you and /or others , i don't claim so , but , it does not mean , that , i can't expect from others here "

here is what I wrote, it is a complaint and a suggestion:
"Here is the simple and the only solution. REMEMBER we have given our BAYAH to our MHI we are not in conflict with our Imam we are in conflict with the management that has become a MAFIA, the mafia who is blackmailing us in the performance of our relegious rights, the messenger/s are stealing our mails our parcels of FIRMANS and have blocked our communictions with the imams, LETS KICK THEM OUT OF OUR DEEN LETS EXCOMMUNICATE THEM through the same venue and system they use to malign NAGIB AND ALNAZ and many others. LETS TAKE THEM TO COURT IN EVERY COUNTRY WE HAVE A ISMAILI POPULATION. DRAG THEM EVERYWHERE TILL THEY SWEAT FROM THEIR BEHIND. I hate to read in every post someone is making a request PLEASE MR ICAB PLEASE MR SS BLA BLA AND BLAH. If that Mansoor bhai from india can do it in INDIA WHY CANNOT it be done in Canada or the USA or the UK."

can some one please expalin HOW DO PEOPLE GET EXCOMMUNICATED the process????
are the person/s excommunicated in the past were thry excommunicated on whose complaint, and was there a due process, If MHI excommunicated those individuals, then someone must have forwarded the reason/s in the application to the IMAM for such an action, who were those applicants NCAB ICAB or some other Jamati institution.

Was there anyone excommunicated on the complaint of an individual (jamati member) like us with no affiliation to any of the institutions what so ever.

The suggestion is also in that same paragraph, why cant we ask for it, the leaders think and have the assurances that they are above the law. but one individual from this forum cannot do it on his own , he will be fried and grilled this hase to be a collective effort, as they all stand togather in good decision or bad decision, we must have a collective voice.

Our application even if we draft it will not reach it recepients we have seen that happen in the copyright case, that is the reason why I suggested the venue of dragging them in court, there must be a way for us to contact and bring our application to the MHI. His decision will be the last, we will accept it no matter what. May be if excommunication is out of the question atleast a SLAP ON THE WRIST or maybe he fire some one or may some strict rules and regulations for the leaders, we will accomplish some thing for the betterment and the interest of the JAMAT or in the worst scenerio we might get the FIRMANS WE WANT so bad.

THINK ABOUT IT PONDER ON THIS, YOU KNOW WHERE TO FIND ME FOR SUPPORT, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO YOU GUYS, IN YOUR CONTACT LIST.

BTW I have no personal animosity with any one either in the leadership or anywhere else but my rule of thumb is if you took an oath to SERVE THE IMAM AND HIS JAMAT you must perform accordingly and as per your suggestions Mansoor bhai I am give your way and suggestion a try, I am going to request today on your say:

Dear Mr leaders:
This is a request to you all leaders of DJI (either a legal entity or not if it is there it is) I know you guys are reading every word that is written here, and I also know you guys own MEN IN BLACK to do your dirty laundry, but let me tell you your cleaned laundry will not look good to you when you put them and look in a dirty mirror. You guys looks like and feels like are in your 60's or may be 50's, you are not immortal I mean your roller coaster is now in the descending mode, the ride will end soon, and I don't want you to say to those angels I was so busy I never got a chance to repent and the answer would be sorry guy as we angels do our job with utmost loyalty and dedication to our Master Allah, you could have done so by serving your Imam and your jamat, time to go big guy btw the angel on the left is getting crushed from your baggage, have done any good for me to carry, are you ready for a bumpy ride.

YA ALI MADAD

@ Pakifellah , u. s. a.

Dear Pakifellah , Ya Ali Madad ,
......i will write in details afterwards , .....but , so far as matter of Excommunication of Certain Leaders , proposed by you , is concerned ,
.......my reply is only , that ,
......First confirm , whom you want to excommunicate ? , and , Secondly , confirm , that , whom you want to excommunicate ? .....are' ISMAILIS ' ??....or , Non Ismailis in the Eyes of Jamats and Imam ? ,
......after Becoming Leader , they have stopped behaving like An Ismaili , with Jamats - Imam ,
.....so , when their Status is already of a Non Ismaili , then , where is question of excommunication of them ? ,
......they are already excommunicated , in the eyes of Jamats and More in the EYES of IMAM ,
...so don't worry , Go Ahead , and , don't do anything to excommunicate who are excommunicated , or , they will start entering ISMAILISM , by applying in CABS , ( who are also like Non Ismailis - and ...- it will create more complications then - so be calm only ) , if from here they come to know , that , they are already - taken granted - as excommunicated - as non ismailis , by Jamats - Imam ........ya ali madad .....!

Letter to Mr Noordin nanji

Letter to Mr Noordin Nanji and Nazmin Kassam 11 March 2013 - When and,Were these rules approved by Hazar Imam or by the national Councils

Regarding Nagib Tajdins' complaint against Shafik Sachedina , and evidence submitted of forgery of Imam's signature, and rules - process  I have been informed by Nagib Tajdin, ICAB  dismissed his application without hearing or submissions of related documents or submissions on jurisdictional issues”  ICAB reply was : "we have carefully read your appeal material and have found nothing new, therefore the appeal is rejected and our Order stands.".

Therefore under the rules  why was this not referred  NCAB UK or Canada ?,  and then special Leave to ICAB,  and then a review and appeal by ICAB. Please confirm that ICAB  can and did jump our constitutional process ?  In the lawsuit against Nagib and Alnaz, NCAB or ICAB were also not consulted by Shafik Sachedina, Aziz Bhaloo, Mohammed Keshavjee and Azim Lakhani.  

Please let me know if the  above is not correct and can you please clarify. 

I note the ICAB/NCABS disciplinary rules for UK were approved by NCAB UK in May 2010  (signed), and by NCAB  Canada in Feb 2010 (unsigned);  Can you please also; 

1                   confirm the date and when Hazar Imam approved these and any related  rules  (or whether Hazar Imam did not and or did not need to approve them)

2                   Confirm the date when the National Councils of Canada and UK approved these rules (or were they not required to do so under the constitution)

3                   Confirm the date when these were prepared by ICAB and drafts approved by NCABS and National Councils ( before they were approved by ICAB and presented to Hazar Imam for approval)

WHO IS WHO

we have been hearing a lot about these people in leaderships like SS, manji, keshawaji etc. etc. etc. and we all know they
are corrupt, I have a request would anyone care to expose who these people are? what are their businesses and how many positions these individual hold in the jamati institutions, I want a details ONE BY ONE is this possible where SS comes from besides being MHI secretary or PA what does he do , how many businesses he owns himself or through proxies. and like that other actors biographies.

YA ALI MADAD

Why

Why would like all of this info ?

Why ? !

Dear Anon , Ya Ali Madad ,
Why would You like to Question like this ?! ,
Any body here can ask any related information on certain discussion here ,
and there is nothing wrong , in asking and / or providing any such informations here ,
and , intension any way of serving Imam - Jamats , at any level , through such information/s , is important ,
ya ali madad ,

On March 12th, 2013 Anon (not verified) says:

you asked " Why would like all of this info "

my question is why not, are you one of them who got cold feet of getting exposed OF CORRUPTION or worrying about the chair slipping away from underneath.

ya ali madad

To blind yes men pity or anger ?!

my reply to

These are issues that may go

On March 8th, 2013 librarian-umed says:
These are issues that may go as far as the Supreme Court.

But to start helping the Jamat worldwide, you need first a strong judgement from High Court that says that no Indian citizen can be subjected to any community Constitution such as the Ismaili Constitution unless they have open access to all of the supporting documents including the Constitution, the Rules and Regulations, the Cases, the Farmans that supersede some articles of those R&R or other documents.

This will ensure that the Ismaili Constitutional documents which are hidden on purpose from the Jamat becomes available not only in India but elsewhere also.

.. Dear Umed , Ya Ali Madad ,
......Surely an important suggestion , .....and i will put forward this as an important issue , before hon. court for consideration ,
story of ' our constitution ' has become like story of a king , (aiglemont leader ) ,
.....no cloth seen , but , all blind - yes men , have to say , ' yes it is there ' ,
if not said yes , .....then , ' sword on neck ' ,
so , ......feel ' pity '..... yaar , .....for such help less 'blind - yes men ', instead of anger ,
ya ali madad ....!

I agree but also the Leaders

I agree but also the Leaders down the line and many of the yes men do not know the truth and do not want to know. I see in UK there are complaint before NCAB UK and ICAB. Once they do the same as in India, I have no doubt that these will go before the courts in UK. One of the issues to be decided by the court will be that the full constitution as intended and confirmed by the Aga Khan must be made available to all Ismailies and since they were not all the rulings before can be challenged and dismissed. ALL

Having said that the present leaders and the yes men will fight thee cases and use their and the Jamats resourses to even the supreme court.

The good news is that all the jamats are reading wacthing and listening

@ bloglaw

" The good news is that all the jamats are reading wacthing and listening"

I agree with what you are saying here is a suggestion to the moderator of this forum, is it possible to put a counter on this webpage so we know how many visitors visited this forum and from where besides the participants and the authors, so we know and measure the mental status of the jamat or are they the SILENT AUDIENCES waiting for a change or may be a VICTIM of this bureaucracy and holding their silences because sometimes or a lot of times they have been told it is a big sin to talk or question the establishment. PAAP LAGAY GA.

YA ALI MADAD

yes good comparison. The

yes good comparison. The invisible clothes are the DJI, it does not exist but they all are saying it is there, we see it. Doesn't matter there is nothing on it in the Constitution, doesn't matter thre is no Talika or Farman, they all see it.

Renaming CABS.........How will it look if ....

My rely to

We have to wait for the next

On March 5th, 2013 librarian-umed says:
We have to wait for the next revision of the ismaili Constitution. Maybe in view of what is happening, Mowlana Hazar Imam will change the name of the Conciliation and Arbitration Board for a more appropriate name. Unless he gets out all of the corrupt people and replace them by new blood. It has happened in the past. Drastic changes of all leadership at once.

reply Canada
Dear Umed - Ya Ali Madad ,
...Hopefully , .....New Name is required to be given , but ,
....how will it look ? ,
....if i suggest Re - Naming as , " Conciliation and Arbitration Board for Divorce , or ,
.....(only) ....Divorce Board ?!
.....i am inspired to rename such , only from the Percentage of Divorces of the Total Cases came up for their Solutions
before Honorable CABS ! ,
.....i have Heard of Some Cases , .....Got Tired off , and , .....Left Fighting , and , .....Got Reunited of their Own only ,
.....and ......this happened , because of Solid Delay in CABS ,
.....is it one of the Reasons , that ' , They do Delay , and with such hope only ? ,
.... that , Disputants coming to CABS , on going out side ,
may Advertise , in jamats , that ,
.....if you have any dispute , solve your selves only , .....don't go to CABS ,
.....UNLESS / UNTIL ......
you are sure you have power to continue fight till next generation , if you have generation ,
.... and , if you have no generation , then , if you can you wait as having , ' no generation ' for next 5 / 10 / 15 / 20 years ......
Principle Applied - if you want to kill any body , you have to ' some thing '
but , if you ' do not do any thing ' , it will die itself only (suicide ) , .....Result is Same ,
.....so why to be Blamed as ' Killer ' instead of ' Honored '?! ,
.....ya ali madad .....!

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani

All my life all i have seen THE IMAMAT is hurt and misused by our leaders more than any one else, whether it be a volunteer or imara leadership or ITREB or SS AND COMPANY. A very good example in todays history is right in fromt of our eye did any thing change in the world of mercenaries after the big institution changed it name from NOIR EAU to you know what. Did the crime against humanity stopped by the name change? NO.

So what should we do to bring about that change. The President of the USA won the election twice i the name of CHANGE AND CHANGE WE BELIEVE IN, right, did the killing of innocent men women and children in the islamic countries stopped, NO did the economy got better NO Is the lying and cover ups stopped NO the only change I see in the USA is the blacks have a smile on their faces because the President is black even though the blacks are more miserable then ever.

What am i trying to say is, if you even or ever succeed in getting rid of all the culprits or culpritesses you will change nothing because their idealogy is rooted deep in the smallest of our jamati instituttions. This undertaking will be as big as getting rid of all the IDOLS from KHANA-E-KABA by our beloved propbet Muhammed (SAW) and 1500 years later not a single idol in that holy mosque. are we ready for that. I dont know about you guys but I am ready, SIMPLE solution EXCOMMUNICATE them so the small parasites can learn and never even try to think about it doing anything stupid and absurd.

Now as we all trying to bring ARAB SPRING into our corrupt system and expects a clean up of bad apples, we cannot run around destroying the infrastructure, we can do it in a more civilized manner we have the ammunations of education and professionalism.

Here is the simple and the only solution. REMEMBER we have given our BAYAH to our MHI we are not in conflict with our Imam we are in conflict with the management that has become a MAFIA, the mafia who is blackmailing us in the performance of our relegious rights, the messenger/s are stealing our mails our parcels of FIRMANS and have blocked our communictions with the imams, LETS KICK THEM OUT OF OUR DEEN LETS EXCOMMUNICATE THEM through the same venue and system they use to malign NAGIB AND ALNAZ and many others. LETS TAKE THEM TO COURT IN EVERY COUNTRY WE HAVE A ISMAILI POPULATION. DRAG THEM EVERYWHERE TILL THEY SWEAT FROM THEIR BEHIND. I hate to read in every post someone is making a request PLEASE MR ICAB PLEASE MR SS BLA BLA AND BLAH. If that Mansoor bhai from india can do it in INDIA WHY CANNOT it be done in Canada or the USA or the UK.

That was the intent of my last post yesterday @ WHO IS WHO. lets start working andd acheive something for our brothers and sisters in faith, As for me I am not an educated person I got enough education to understand. but you guys are professionals in some i see the qualities of attorneys and lawyers, and I promise if you guys ever need me I will support you like a dog till the end, but DO SOMETHING just exchanging emails on this forum has done nothing, all there is I see is comments " you are right blog and i agree with you umed and intregrity you got a point and kacoomber just mixes everything and turns it into a delicious kachomber (just kidding kachomber bhai it is just a joke) LOL

ya ali madad

Appeal to ICAB

Appeal to His Highness the Aga Khan Shia Imami Ismaili international concilaition and Arbitration Board Attention Noordin Nanji

"
To ICAB and To NCAB UK 7 March 2013

I refer to my complaints against Shafik Sachedina, A J Dharamsey, Azim Lakhani and Mohammed Keshavjee individually.

I re-confirm my appeal. NCAB UK have acted unfairly, and erred under inter alia, our constitution, Farmans , constitutional rules, the ethics of our faith, and the UK law.

I look forward to receiving the ICAB appeal rules and the procedures. I also request you to let me have the information requested from you, particularly but not only, after the First order by NCAB UK on about 24th December 2012.

I also confirm that I will use all earlier emails I have sent to NCAB UK, and to ICAB, and or copies of emails to both of our Boards who are acting as judicial bodies in these copmplaints.

Regarding Mr A J Dharamsey. - The basis of my complaint is not that A Dharamsey is not an Ismaili. I requested NCAB UK to consider and rule as a “Judicial body”, if Mr Dharamsey is an Ismaili, and whether he revoked, his Bayah based on the evidence provided. If NCAB decided he did revoke his Bayah then to decide if he was readmitted and was the constitutional process followed in re admitting him as an Ismaili. NCAB have erred and have not considered the evidence, or sought further clarification, and or evidence, knowing full well also that NCAB Canada is considering a complaint from Mr A Dharamsey as an Ismaili, against N Tajdin and A Jiwa. And further knowing that the evidence in those and other complaints forms a part of my evidence , in my complaint to NCAB UK including against A J Dharamsey.

NCAB UK have not given, any support, assistance, opportunity as a judicial body under our constitution, ethics and Farmans. NCAB UK have also not given me our full constitution, rules, regulations, process and or farmans or the law of UK which they are required and obligated to do.

I will be making further submissions after I receive details of the procedures, and information I have requested.

Please acknowledge receipt of this appeal.

M Chatur "

A mokery and Laughing !

They are making a mockery of justice and our community and NCAB and ICAB will be a laughing stock and a joke - Reading this appeal and their decisions before
http://ismaili.net/heritage/comment/reply/29740/16110

History is unfolding. The

History is unfolding. The world and the Jamat are watching NCABS and ICAB in action. circle in action. For the first time the Jamat is getting clear proofs and evidence of what SS and co are not doing and what Imam is saying in Farmans. We owe this to this Website, Nagib Tajdin and many who are now sharing and speaking out.

NCAB UK has not replied to the complaint by Gafoor. Will they do the same as in the above case ?

NCAB is unfair and wrong ..

NCAB UK is a “judicial body” under our constitution. This is similar to international Judicial bodies (and courts). The same rules of law, fairness and justice apply to NCAB UK. Under our constitution the law of the land is to be considered by NCAB UK.

NCAB UK have an additional obligation to take account of the ethics of our faith, our traditions, and farmans. NCAB UK must also take account of the law and rules of the courts. In this case the UK law.

NCAB UK have clearly not done so !. NCAB are also are saying office bearers are not equal and they are above our constitution, Imams Farmans and the law..

Anyone can tell you that is wrong and that we are all equal under the eyes of the law, Hazar Imam and our constitution.

Leaders and office bearers, they have not less, but more and additional responsibilities in serving the needs of every murid, equally.

Azim Lakhani and N Kheraj

Azim Lakhani and N Kheraj are Directors of NHS in UK UK and are also serving in AKDN - our constitution and the NHS constitution and the laws are the same - so why block Farmans and our constitution and refise to give teports to the Community - Jamats - What the are obliged to do in NHS and they do !
"Duty to involve and report to the public. NHS bodies are under a legal duty to involve people who use health services or their representatives in decisions about those services. This duty applies to strategic health authorities, primary care trusts, NHS trusts and NHS foundation trusts. The duty applies
to the planning of health services, proposals for changes in the provision of services and decisions that will affect the way services operate. Strategic health authorities and primary care trusts are also under
a legal duty to report publicly on how they have involved people in their activities and on the impact of
the consultation on their decisions. Members of the public are also able to attend the board meetings of strategic health authorities and primary care trusts. There are opportunities to give feedback on local services through regular surveys.

More resignations !

Naquib Kheraj is on the same Board with David Nicholson at NHS commissioning Board UK. N Kheraj was on Barclarys Board.and Finance Director of Barclays Bank.

" Many Members of Parliament in UK are calling for Sir David to quit. Bill Cash, the MP for Stone, asked whether there was "a single person in this room who thinks Nicholson shouldn’t go?". More than 10 MPs agreed with Mr Cash that Sir David should resign, with only one backing the NHS chief, heaping pressure on the Prime Minister to take action.
Andrew Lansley, the former health secretary, who spoke at the meeting, was said to be "businesslike" in his assessment of Sir David..There were signs yesterday that the Prime Minister and other senior Government figures were distancing themselves from Sir David, who was said to be in a “precarious position” .

Accountabilty & Responsibility

Our Leaders need to read this - Mistakes admitted and what Leaders are doing collectively - the right thing to do is the person at the top to be held to account, and resign !

"Today’s Health Select Committee in UK quizzing of David Nicholson is crucial. As we uncover just what David Nicholson knew of failings in , we begin to uncover the extent of a culture of cover-up, gagging, lack of accountability and dispatch-box friendly targets ahead of caring for patients.

Why does this matter? The truth is that silence has cost lives – possibly thousands of them, and if accountability is to mean anything at all, the man at the helm should be held to account. That is why I have tabled a motion for David Nicholson to go, that now has been signed by 20MPs, and has support of a further 22.

More change in UK - the

More change in UK - the culture of self preservation - change may come sooner than they may think - The government today announced that the protections available to whistleblowers are to be strengthened further.

The proposed amendment to the Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Bill will mean that individuals, who make the difficult decision to blow the whistle against their employer, will have protection from instances of bullying or harassment that may come even from their co-workers.

This protection, known as “vicarious liability”, mirrors provisions which already exist in equality legislation.
The amendment will:

introduce a provision which treats detrimental acts of one co-worker towards another who has blown the whistle, as being done by the employer and therefore makes the employer responsible; and provide a defence for an employer who is able to show that they took all reasonable steps to prevent the detrimental treatment of a co-workers to towards another who blew the whistle.

Cases in india......what next .....?!

Dear All - Ya Ali Madad ,
...it were matters before hon. court , on 1/3/2013 , in morning ,........... in DJT case , it was for arguments on point of jurisdiction of this court , issue raised by defendants , ...... it was adjourned , for 20 march 2013 , ....in NCAB + ITREB + NATIONAL COUNCIL case , it was for draft issues , to be suggested in writing by me , ( points suggested by me , to be decided in this case ) ,
i suggested following issues :
(1) whether the defendants ( ncab - itreb - national council ) along with their board members can act and funcion as honorable court in our community ? if so under which provison of law?
(2) can defendant no. 1 ( ncab) , in the name of " concilliation and arbitration board " , grant divorce - grant permission to divorce , to any of the spouses ? against the willingness of counter spouse , and can defendant no. 2 , (itreb ) support their activities by making announcements in jamatkhanas ( prayer hall ) ? , and can defendant no. 3 under it's supervision allow them to do so ?
(3) should the defendant no. 1 (ncab) grant divorce - or - should advise to go to hon. court - if dispute could not be solved between husban and wife ? ,
(4) can defendant no. 1 (ncab) , warn any of the spouses for not going to hon. court ? ,
(5) should there not be difference , in proceedings of "concilliation and arbitration " and " hon. courts "? ,
(6) is there any difference here , between defendants CABS proceedings and hon. courts ? , are defendants not running parallel courts ? , in our ismaili muslim community ? ,
(7) the judgement passed by defendants , CABS courts , should be cancelled /revised or not ? , as far thy are illegal and against provisions of law ? and without any legal authority to do so ? ,
(8)should the defendants illegal working in form of hon. courts be cancelled or not ? ,
(9) while defendants no. 1,2 and 3 , and all their board - council members working as hon. court , in the disputes between comunity people , can they stop directly or indirectly , community's any comlainant members , from making any complaint in the criminal offences , against any community members or others , who are accused - offenders of serious offences under IPC ( Indian Penal Code ) etc , and , can they stop them from going to any out side legal authority , like police station , hon. court ? , and , by doing so , the defendants boards members then can save and protect this way offenders from legal consequences , which they are to face ? , and , can they clear out the way to escape from legal criminal liabilities , and , to help offenders to regularize the criminal offence into genuine act ? , and , by doing so , are they , defendants -boards council - members , who help criminals this way , should not be considered , same as those criminal offenders ? ,

so , these are the issues - points , submitted by me , before hon. court for consideration ,

under the effect of such facts - circumstances , in this and/ or other case/s , in past or present , in CABS , .....it is possible , that , in the matters , before CABS , not advising - allowing or stopping , any of parties , for going to police station , hon. court , .....in cases of matters , inclusive of criminal offences , and , conduct the case/s , ......then ....the Chairman / Chair person / President + all members ( of concerned past or present ) , of any concerned CABS , ( may be RCAB + NCAB + ICAB , whoever conducted case/s , appeals ) + ITREB + National Council , ......ultimately become responsible of doing same offence /s , .............which were helped , by any of CABS , directly or indirectly , tried to be saved - protected , any way , the concerned accused - offenders , ......as per provisions of laws in india , ......for which a separate criminal complaint could be filed , in police station , or , hon. court , .....which could / may happen in india , .it is 3/35 am .....ya ali madad ......!

These are issues that may go

These are issues that may go as far as the Supreme Court.

But to start helping the Jamat worldwide, you need first a strong judgement from High Court that says that no Indian citizen can be subjected to any community Constitution such as the Ismaili Constitution unless they have open access to all of the supporting documents including the Constitution, the Rules and Regulations, the Cases, the Farmans that supersede some articles of those R&R or other documents.

This will ensure that the Ismaili Constitutional documents which are hidden on purpose from the Jamat becomes available not only in India but elsewhere also.

Comtempt or a lie !

When Leaders are not following Farmans, or the law, they must be taken to the Law. Especially NCAB and ICAB. The constitution says Leaders are not above the constitution or the law. Read what Mr nanji says in an affidavit in UK "..In the Ismaili community, as in the broader Muslim community, that when a problem occurs between brothers, the people around should intervene to solve it, and they should pursue all means in order to make peace between them. That brothers in religion should be willing to forgive each other and to reconcile their disagreements is testified to in a large number of Prophetic traditions, both the Sunni and the Shia, as well as in the traditions of the Shia Imams. For instance, Imam Ali, the first Shia Imam, has said: "Do not separate yourself from your brother unless you have exhausted every approach in trying to put things right with him. ... Do not be harsh with your brother out of suspicion, and do not separate from him without first having tried to reason with him... Seek reconciliation with your brother, even if he throws dust at you." (The Sayings and Wisdom of Hazrat Ali, published in England, 1994).

Mr Nanji , a Lawyer, swears this affidavit under oath in Court, and then does the very opposite ?

So If what he swore is not true it is contempt. On the other hand If it is true, but If he is not doing that. then he is going aganst ICAB regulations, Farmans, and the law which he say and admits it is the law !

Mr Nanji Oath

When you swear an oath; You are saying

1 What you are swearing is true and correct to the best of your knowledge and beleif - So in all cases do you Mr Nanji " to intervene to solve it, and pursue all means in order to make peace " IF you dont are in contempt and a hypocrite.

2 If what you say you are saying is true, then tell us what have you not done so regarding the complaints of Noorani, Nagib, Chatur, Gafoor and Dharamsey.

3 Mr Nanji do you really " Seek reconciliation with your brother, even if he throws dust at you."

When you take swear an oath of your position in a community, you swearing to serve the community which you are appointed to serve. Not only your buddies and family.

If you only pretend to do so, you are breaking your oath, commitment, allegiance and you are being a hypocrite and selfish.

If you were selflessly serving the Jamat and the Imam, then you would obey the Imams Farmans, and you would defend and protect our constitution, and not allow farmans or rules to be blocked from the Jamat ?

We have to wait for the next

We have to wait for the next revision of the ismaili Constitution. Maybe in view of what is happening, Mowlana Hazar Imam will change the name of the Conciliation and Arbitration Board for a more appropriate name. Unless he gets out all of the corrupt people and replace them by new blood. It has happened in the past. Drastic changes of all leadership at once.

There is no question that

There is no question that a major change is needed in our Leadership and their culture too. will Leaders take a Lead. ?
"The NHS in UK is in the middle of the biggest reorganisation since its creation. There has been intense political debate
The NHS is a very large and complex organisation. Most parts will be affected in some way. But the biggest changes are about who makes decisions, who spends the money. More transparency and accountability with the staff public who complain will be welcomed, protected , and all complaints will be investigated and addressed.

Next Steps ...

Letter as received - " Read and help by doing what Imam is asking you to do. Help the Jamat.

A The Cases in court in Mumbai – Next hearing 20 March 2013;
1 ITREB - not giving all Farmans, or constitution to the Jamats -
2 NCAB – Not acting and following our constitution, Farmans or the Law
3 National Council - not following Farmans, the constitution or the law -
4 Diamond Jubilee Trust - Collect money in JK from the Jamat and not giving information – submit arguments stage- (Read the issues below)

B Why are the cases in Court – root causes
Top Leaders are not doing what Hazar Imam is telling them to do in Farmans and our constitution; (see Farmans below) . Including
1 When they met murids, instead of dialogue and conciliation, some are threatening muirds
2 Refusing dialogue to resolve issues and address the needs and concerns of murids in question and generally.
3 Not giving farmans, information and the constitution to the Jamats.
4 Those who ask are marginalized instead of being welcomed
5 not giving reports of the Jamat and for the Jamat, to the Jamat
6 Making decisions and orders under Indian law, without giving the constitution, farmans or the law to the Jamats.
The solution is to work together and share all Farmans and reports. They are for the Jamat and belong to the Jamat
.
C The draft Issues submitted to the court by the Jamat/Murids
.
1 ITREB NCAB and the national Council are legally operating, and act under the Indian Law as judicial bodies. Are they allowed to do so and if so under what provisions of the Indian Law. If not are they not acting legally. Should they not give this information to the community members ?
2 NCAB , grant divorce and or grant permission to divorce , to spouses ? Are they legally authorized to do so under Indian Law, and even If one of the parties are not willing or says no.
3 ITREB supports the activities and orders of NCAB and are making announcements in Jamatkhanas (prayer hall ) of the decisions and orders of NCAB. Are they legally authorized to do so in law ?
4 National Council who control the announcements in JK allow ITREB and NCABS to do so and do so on their behalf. Are these legal under indian Law ?
5 If the dispute could not be solved between the parties by conciliation and arbitration and dialogue, then should legally NCAB be advising the parties to go to the courts, instead of forcing their decisions on the parties.
6 Can NCAB warn (force/coerce) any parties not to go to the Courts, if they do not wish to do so under Indian law – Should they be given the option.
7 Should the Quran, with all Farmans, Ginans and constitutions including all reports be made available to all the members of the community.
8 Is there a difference and should there be a difference in proceedings before the of "concilliation and arbitration Biards " and " Courts of Law "
9 Are NCABS running parallel courts in India for the smaili muslim community, and is this against the law in India
10 Regarding all the judgments given by NCABS judicially as a court. Should the Judgements be cancelled and or revised if they are not under the law and do NCAB have authority to do so under the law. ,
11 Can ITREB, Council and NCAB directly or indirectly;
a. stop any members , from making any complaint of criminal offences , against any community members or others , who are accused - offenders of serious offences under IPC ( Indian Penal Code ) etc,
b. stop them from going to any outside legal authority , like police station , Courts ? . By doing so , they are allowing offenders to get away with impunity , and ,
i. Allowing offenders to escape from criminal acts and liabilities , and or help offenders to regularize their criminal offences into genuine acts.
ii. By doing so IIREB NCAB and Council - boards council - members , are helping criminals, should also be considered, as the criminals ? ,

D What Hazar Imam says you must do !

1 NCAB, ITREB, Councils our Other Institutions
Institutions are there to serve all murids equally, not specific sections of the Jamat (for example those Shafik Sachedina and Company); “ .. You are one Jamat and the institutions are there to serve the whole of the family (jamat). .. I do not wish that the institutions should serve only specific sections of the jamat.. Imam said in London my leaders are not teeling you, meaning hey must tell you and if they don’t ask them to tell you.
2 Discussion and Conciliation
.. Our Jamat is one large Family. And just as problems between families, individuals in the Jamat should always be solved by arbitration, by discussion and friendship 9 Dec 1964
3 When matters are going wrong !
if matters are going wrong they should be put right without shame. There is no shame in saying this has gone wrong, let us put it right.,.
4 Rumors
“.I must warn you of rumors, & free talk.. There are ayats of Quran, beware of those who lead you astray beware not to be led by people who spread rumors ...remember that these matters are essential 14 Dec 1973
-Always, seek mediation and conciliation.
-Always, avoid courts of law, & related legal cost, with uncertainty and in some cases there can be injustice because the judicial system is sometimes corrupt.
-Always, find ways and solutions to meet and resolve differences, and
-Never, get into a situation where we cannot resolve differences by mediation and conciliation
-Never, let differences and conflict become a part of our psyche.
-We must always mediate at the earliest.

Multi positions and multi

Multi positions and multi interests - Letter to S Sachefina as received

"Will you agree to an independent enquiry (constitutional and institutional), regarding conflict of interests and loyalty. If there is nothing to hide you will, or you should do the honorable thing and resign.

A conflict of interest and loyalties occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in another. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety or benefit received or a loss. Therefore, a conflict of interest can be discovered and voluntarily defused before any corruption occurs. A widely used definition is: “A conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgment or actions regarding a primary interest will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest.” Primary interest refers to the principal goals of the profession or activity, such as the protection of clients, the health of patients, the integrity of research, and the duties of office. Secondary interest includes not only financial gain but also such motives as the desire for professional advancement and the wish to do favors for family and friends, but conflict of interest rules usually but not only focus on financial relationships because they are relatively more objective, fungible, and quantifiable. The secondary interests are not treated as wrong in themselves, but become greater when they are believed to have greater weight than the primary interests and so motivated. The conflict in a conflict of interest exists whether or not a particular individual is actually influenced by the secondary interest. It exists if the circumstances are reasonably believed (on the basis of past experience and objective evidence) to create a risk that decisions may be unduly influenced by secondary interests.

The Jamat and the Good

The Jamat and the Good Leaders need to come together on this. " ...And what we’ve found, is that the community organisations when they come together — what do they look at ? It’s very exciting. Their whole basis of hope is built around best practice. They reject all the things that have damaged them individually and they come together and say that we want a new future, built around new people, whom we choose because we trust them.” Aga Khan 22 October 2912

What is best Practice for our community ?

Well done to ask the

Well done to ask the question ? And what Imam also says,

Past leaders
..I want to underline.. Leadership is not lost but continues. So past Mukhis .. and Kamadias should continue, and make available to the Jamat the wealth of your knowledge and experience. .. (23 Feb 1983 past leaders mulakat)

"In the Imams eye as I have just said you are never retired you are always leaders of my Jamat.." (April 1983 Past Leaders Mulakat)

Past leaders include Alnaz Jiwa and N Tajdin; Why then are these Leaders being marginalized and harassed by Shafik sachedina and why are you not stopping them ?

2 Rumors
" ..I must warn you of rumors, & free talk.. There are ayats of Quran beware of those who lead you astray beware not to be led by people who spread rumors ...remember that these matters are essential 14 Dec 1973

Therefore if you feel a Farman, announcement, Talika or information is not correct, then there is no shame in asking and verifying ( as Nagib did using THREE experts )

3 AKDN, LIF Councils and our Other Institutions
Institutions are there to serve all murids equally, not specific sections of the Jamat (for example those Shafik Sachedina and Company) What Imam says; .. You are one Jamat and the institutions are there to serve the whole of the family (jamat). .. I do not wish that the institutions should serve only specific sections of the jamat.

4 Discussion and Conciliation
.. Our Jamat is one large Family. And just as problems between families, individuals in the Jamat should always be solved by arbitration, by discussion and friendship 9 Dec 1964

5 Mistakes - When matters are going wrong !
if matters are going wrong they should be put right without shame. There is no shame in saying this has gone wrong, let us put it right.,.

Mohammed Keshavjee says

Mohammed Keshavjee says those who dont or cant must resign . Is he wrong too.

M Keshavjee Head of ITREB global for over 20 years, and Governor of IIS says those who cannot fulfill their obligations , must resign and he confirms the role of ICAB and NCAB who report to DJI/S Sachedina - .

"In the Fatimid Ismaili tradition, if the Muslihun (dispute resolver) finds himself unfit or unable to discharge his obligations, he must resign from his office, so that some other person, fit for the post, may be appointed in his place. It is also his duty to ensure smooth transition in office by training, educating and generally preparing people who may be able to replace him. The Muslihun must never select or recommend candidates for office out of consideration of their material affluence, friendly or other relations and clientage or in fulfilment of a promise, or as a favour returned or under a threat." read more
http://www.iis.ac.uk/view_article.asp?ContentID=110202

This is why we have the law

Can you imagine if everyone went around asking who ever they did not like or suspected, to resign based on
perceptions that were not proven - that would be a mess. So far, everything I've been hearing against SS has been purely
hearsay. Nothing has been proven. So far there has only been at least court case,
and it was unfavourable to NT.

Is the law above what Imam

Is the law above what Imam says and has said to Shafik Sachedina and Leaders ?

There are cases and by

There are cases and by asking for Farmans or for answerability or competence you are in fact doing what Hazar Inam is saying you must do ! Are you saying the Jamat must not do what Imam says ?

So asking for an enquiry on conflicts is the right thing to do and saying if he disagrees he is hiding facts, & not doing what Imam says in Farmans and the constitution . therefore he should resign, -

These are not perceptions but specified concerns. Not being transparent, not giving all Farmans for example which even Imam in Nagib's case and court agreed to allow all those who have the books to retain them - why did they agree ?

Read also the recent cases with NCAB and appeals to ICAB and cases ongoing in India !

The court case against Nagib proved Imam wants the book of Farmans to be shared, and Shafik Sachedina lied in court for example saying all Farmans are available in all JK even in remote locations - not true - right ? Not taking account of forgeries and do you agree the misinformation in the LIF announcemnts and Tslika ! Are those perceptions? no !

Imam says you must give feedback and seek competence ? did not Imam also say Shafik is not telling you what Imam is ? So Is not Imam telling you to ask him - Leaders in question ! Imam is .

Case at ICAB against Sachedina for forgery

There has been one case at ICAB (as per Farmans of the Imam, no in Court) against Sachedina for ciculating documents containing a forged signature of the Imam. ICAB which is a board of people very close to Sachedina has just decided that they do not have any jurisdiction for case against Sachedina. They are not interested in finding out if there has been a forgery. They do not care. Some people can (and will) produce a fraudulent Will of the Imam with a forged signature and they have the complete complicity of ICAB, nothing to worry there. They tested the system and it worked for them.

There has not been any hearing, no witness heard, just a decision without hearing. So Justice has not been served. The door is open for bigger fraud and forgery, these people will protect each other.

Manipulation of the highest ismaili Judiciary is not something our community can be proud of. Breach of Oath and Breach of Constitution by those who are required to protect it would ,in any other community, be considered as a very dirty game.

Hazar Imam has put in place a good system but people are so corrupt within the ICAB that the whole purpose of having a ICAB is defeated. Maybe that is how it is supposed to be during the Kal Jug. Indeed at least as far as CAB is concern, it is dark ages.

No wonder, the Imam said "My leaders get away with murder". Indeed they did get away with murder and He said that because He is the All-Knowing.

@ Umed

"My leaders can get away with murder?"
when and where was this sentence from MHI? absolutely appalling!
I am hearing it for the first time!!
please respond

From recollection, 25 years

From recollection, 25 years celebration IIS diner speech. To be verified.

Case at ICAB against Sachedina for forgery

Umedbhai, some people just do not get it................

Even when actual personal experience is there against the corrupt leaders............

In the time of KRISHNA, the righteous were actually coerced into keeping quiet, or
muzzled as per modern lingo.

Patience is what we need and let the "battle lines: be drawn.

Thank you.

@Dba

Did you not know - 6 FACTS ABOUT THE FARMAN LAWSUIT FILED BY SHAFIK SACHEDINA AND CO
1 Did you know that Mawlana Hazar Imam (the Plaintiff) has not filed any evidence nor asked for any evidence to be filed to defend his lawsuit? The only evidence in the lawsuit are two affidavits by Shafik Sachedina and Aziz Bhaloo, both of whom have admitted under oath they were not asked by Hazar Imam to file affidavits. Without their affidavits there would be no case because lawsuits without evidence are dismissed precisely for “lack of evidence.” So why did they file if they were not asked? And if Hazar Imam started the case, why hasn’t he filed any affidavits or evidence?

2 Did you know that Hazar Imam is, through other court actions now on going for 2 years, seeking damages and costs from the Defendants (two murids)? We know from history the Imams have forgiven those who have murdered members of the Noorani family or even previous Imams. We know in the Mir Bose case, which Hazar Imam initiated in the 1990s, he said he was only seeking to stop Mr Bose from publishing his book and was not seeking damages or costs.
Given this history and given the Imam is all merciful and forgiving, are we Ismailis to believe that our Imam would be so petty so as to seek damages and costs (over a comparatively minor matter) from a murid for merely publishing his farmans – 90% of which he has been publishing for 18 years with the full knowledge of the leadership and no issue whatsoever?

3 Did you know that Nagib Tajdin (a Defendant) told the Judge he will pay double of whatever amount Mr Gray (Hazar Imam’s lawyer) asks to end the action for damages and costs, but Mr Gray refused? Did you know that Alnaz Jiwa (a Defendant) offered Mr. Gray the full value ($4,900) of the 98 farman books he obtained and distributed, that is, taking the
whole value as profit, but Mr. Gray refused? Why would Mr Gray refuse? Is there another agenda?

4 Did you know that when Hazar Imam met the Defendants, in Toronto in October 2010, in the presence of Mr Gray, Shafik Sachedina and Mahmoud Manji (then National Council President for Canada), he offered the Defendants copies of farmans with annotations made by the Imam himself? Is it not strange, that Hazar Imam would offer such valuable copies of the farmans to the very same people he’s suing for not respecting his copyright; people he’s so angry with he’s even seeking costs and damages from them? And, is it not strange we are told by ITREB we cannot have farmans in our homes, but Hazar Imam offers his annotated farmans to two murids? Neither Mr. Sachedina nor Mr. Manji have denied this offer was made
.
5 Did you know that no contact was made with Alnaz Jiwa before the lawsuit was filed against him and that in the October 2010 meeting with Hazar Imam, Hazar Imam confirmed to all that he knew Alnaz Jiwa was not involved in publishing the farman books, yet Alnaz Jiwa is still being sued today? In fact, Alnaz Jiwa was not even contacted prior to the suit being filed against him. Not a single letter, e-mail or phone call to him from either Hazar Imam or the leadership. No dialogue or communication whatsoever.

In Badakshan, in 1995, Hazar Imam said:
“Differences must be resolved within the ethic of our faith, through dialogue, through compassion, through tolerance, through generosity, through forgiveness.” Are we then to believe that Hazar Imam actually sued a murid without even contacting him?

6 Did you know that in Madagascar, in 2003, Hazar Imam made a clear farman explaining Islam’s ethics on resolving disputes? “Remember that Islam says: try to find compromise in your conflicts, so that each may
retain their dignity. Islam does not say: there must be a winner and a loser. “And if, in your differences, you seek absolute victory, and in these differences there are losers, these losers are marginalised, they lose their position in society, they have great difficulty in rebuilding a sound future.

“Thus, I ask the Jamat today, when you have differences between you, find solutions of compromise so that each may come out of the situation with their heads held high, that none can say of such and such family or of such and such individual that it is over, they have been destroyed. This is not Islam; destruction is not Islam.”
(Mawlana Hazar Imam, Madagascar 2003

Are we to believe that Hazar Imam would do the exact opposite (ignoring his own farman) and not seek compromise? On the contrary, Hazar Imam’s offer of annotated farmans was a magnanimous compromise and gesture that preserved the Defendants’ dignity.

NOW SEARCH YOUR HEART AND ASK YOURSELF: DO YOU REALLY STILL BELIEVE MAWLANA HAZAR IMAM
IS RUNNING THE FARMAN LAWSUIT TODAY?

If you really still think he is, what would you answer if Hazar Imam were to ask you ‘Do
you really believe this is how I behave and what I would do?’

If you don’t think Hazar Imam is running the lawsuit today, then have some courage and forward this to your contacts. Just because our leadership tolerates this witch hunt it doesn’t mean the Jamat must also. Hazrat Ali has said “bravery and truth are always found together ...”

Imam says to shafik

Imam says to shafik sachedina and leaders "We must keep our eyes and our heart and our ears very close to the Jamat to make sure that we do not let our growth-scale take us away from the needs of our Jamats around the world."

"..What is done must be done honestly, sincerely and well. We cannot afford to be incompetent, because if we are, we damage the people we seek to serve. [Speech 25 Nov 1982]..."..Aga Khan

Read following too

What would you do ?

If you are in the buisness of hotels. Suppoose your banker, advisors or someone you trust on your Boards/staff, gets information about an opporunity in hotels or similar business, and does not tell you, and takes that opportunity for themselves ? Assuming they are all Ismailies; Is that;

1 Moral and ethical
2 Legal
3 Would you file a lawsuit or complain and take them to NCAB ?

How many opportinuites are given as a priority and first to AKDN ? and how many are done privately by those in postitions of trust ?

Now what about those who block farmans and use them for themselves. Is that not the same, morally and legally ?

If the Janat shares and work

If the Jamat shares and work together , there will be transparency. Then those who betray trust will not be allowed or tolerated.

“ People coming together coming around a common purpose are much stronger, for example, in eliminating corruption. When an individual faces corruption, that’s a problem. When a village community faces corruption, it is a totally different issue. And in fact corruption in civil society is probably one of the most damaging forces we are trying to deal with every day. It’s not only corruption at the level of government. It’s corruption in education, it’s corruption in healthcare, it’s corruption in financial institutions, it’s corruption in rural support, in distribution of goods. So the lack of ethics in civil society is one of the very, very great issues that we have to deal with. And what we’ve found, is that the community organisations when they come together — what do they look at ? It’s very exciting. Their whole basis of hope is built around best practice. They reject all the things that have damaged them individually and they come together and say that we want a new future, built around new people, whom we choose because we trust them.” Aga Khan 22 October 2012

Interesting !

Raag Hotels owned by Naguib Kheraj and Jivraj Family opens another Tune Hotel in UK ! They are or have been on the Boards of AKDN (including AKF UK, IIS, AKU, Islamic Publications UK etc with other Ismaili Leaders who have also made business investments in the last 20 years)

" New-look Edinburgh hotel offers bedrooms from £25 a night
Tune Hotels announced first ever Scottish hotel, Tune Hotel Haymarket, Edinburgh on 8th January 2013. Following the resounding success of the group’s UK entry with its four London properties"

Noordin Nanji is a partner

Noordin Nanji is a partner in Stikeman Elliott's Vancouver Corporate and Securities Group. He advises public and private companies ... The firm was involved in the following;

On June 1, 2011, following receipt of approval from the Ontario Superior Court of Justice's commercial division under the Companies' Creditors Arrangement Act, Soul Restaurants Canada Inc. (“Soul”) completed the purchase of 200 KFC restaurants in British Columbia and Ontario, along with four in Québec, from Priszm Income Fund (“Priszm”). The purchase price paid for the restaurants was $42.8 million.

The team at Soul is composed of its two indirect shareholders, Aly Janmohamed and Shiraz Boghani.

They have all been involved within the leadership and institutional positions in the last 20 ears.

What does indirect

What does indirect shareholder mean - Are they acting for others or fronting for others ?

Is Shiraz Bhigani a partner

Is Shiraz Bhigani a partner with SS or his "prete-nom" for SS' investments?

Does it look like all Nanji, SS, Manji, A.Bhaloo etc.. are involved together financially in various deals and businesses? Real Estate, Fast Food Chain, Hotels, other mega-projects....

Nothing wrong in that, except they can not have the distance it takes between each other to act ethically in a ICAB setting.

that would explain the kind of rulings ICAB does nowadays without even any hearing, just putting a stamp of approval on a texts received from SS....

NCAB UK - Prejudicial

AS RECEIVED

NCAB UK - Prejudicial conduct and asking for rules to be followed but refusing to provide the rules they want to be followed !

NCAB UK Attention Chairman Nazmin Kassam

Dear Nazmin;

Re Complaints against Shafik Sachedina and A J Dharamsey

I refer to your cover letter dated 25 February 2013.

1 I confirm that I intend to appeal. My appeal will include inter alia, Bayah of A J Dharamsey
.
2 I request you to let me have the procedure to be followed as stated in your letter.

I also again request you to let me have all the requisite information including all farmans and the constitution, which you have used, or ought to have used, in consideration of the complaints, and in making your order (as our judicial body having regard to also the Law of the Land under our constitution)

3 Can you please also let me have the following you have said you will provide (Procedures rules and regulation ?) - -Why not provide them now

4 I refer to your following requests and information;

a. On the one hand you have refused to supply the requisite procedures and information to me. I have been requesting these from day one. On the other hand you say I must follow those procedures you have refused to provide to me.

Then you add, therefore you cannot respond to my requests properly or sensibly because they are not in your formats/processes.

That is not the real reason why you cannot or do not wish to. This therefore make no sense and is at best unfair if not prejudicial. Can you confirm or clarify

b. You then add you want to ensure that Shafik Sachedina and A Dharamsey are able to fairly evaluate and consider my allegations ?.

Why are you obviously favouring Shafik Sachedina and A Dharamsey by wanting to ensure that they are able to fairly evaluate and consider my allegations against them.

Do they know the processes and or, have they asked you to say this to me ? If not why are you being at best partisan and not fair and impartial

c. Can you explain to me your real reasons for making these requests on behalf of both Shafik Sachedina , and A Dharamsey, and

why this is not prejudicial to me, and is this therefore not Judicial misconduct, and or unethical, and or against the NCAB UK obligations of impartiality, fairness and justice, and against our constitution and or Farmans.

I look forward to hearing from you. I have 14 days, I need the information urgently for the appeal. I hope you/ICAB will extend the 14 day period, and confirm, if you delay in providing the above information.

Kind regards
Mahebub Chatur

Will it take more court

Will it take more court cases before leaders obey Hazar Imam, and give Farmans and reports to the Jamat.

Letter to H H The Aga Khan

Letter to H H The Aga Khan conciliation and Arbitration Boards as received

NCAB UK
Attention Chair Nazmin Kassam
ICAB
Attention Noordin Nanji Chair. 27 February 2013

Re
Complaint M Keshavjee & Azim Lakhani
Date of complaint 4th August 2012
Date of decision Not given
Date of order 25 Feb 2013
Your reference Not given

I refer to the above and am appealing against your order. I am assuming the covering letter in the following order applies
also to this order, and my response is the same as below

Re Complaint Shafik Scahedina and A Dharamsey
Date of complaint 4th August 2012
Date of decision Not given
Date of order 25 Feb 2013
Your reference Not given

Kind regards
Mahebub Chatur

Allah says... 9: 12 But if

Allah says...

9: 12 But if they violate their oaths After their covenant And taunt you for your Faith Fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: For their oaths are nothing to them: That thus they may be restrained Fight them and Allah will Punish them by your hands. Cover them with shame, Help you (to victory) over them, Heal the breasts of Believers...

why question when Imam has made a decision. .the Constitution is clear...and Leaders are NOT above the constitution and Farmans...but yet they have shown disdain both for the Imam and the constitution...and have created their own "niche"..

Moving forward

Umedbhai, I shall apologize in advance for this as it does not relate to the ongonig case.
I hope that at least you read it and think on it.......................

We seem to have reached a point in the case where it is a matter of waiting for new developments and I know we all
can trust you to keep us informed in a timely matter. Thank you.

However, I would like to propose that for the time being we conduct an ongoing session of informative discussion
on this forum about ANY matters that ANYBODY wishes to further their knowledge about, not from the viewpoint
of bookworming, but mutually acceptable argumentative ideas between individuals who have had the opportunity to
reach some kind of conclusion on the matter being discussed. You can be the moderator as always (our STEVE
PAIKIN) and let the matter go on or put a stop to it. If any boundaries of civility are crossed, you have the right to end it all.

I shall put forward an idea that can be our starter (if you agree) and the subject is NIYAT..............

I personally have encountered a lot of viewpoints on this subject.....primarily two opposing each other:-
One point of view argues that when a Niyat has been initiated in a murid's mind, then the "fa-ido" is sure to follow,
whether the action has been carried on to its end or not...............
The other view argues that a Niyat has to be completed to its end in order to reap ANY fa-ido" from it.

I personally have a point of view, but I would like to read about how differently individuals respond.

Well, Umedbhai, it is now up to you.....thank you............

Imam says if your

Imam says if your institutions are not, they you must get together and do so !

A very good idea. The cases

A very good idea. The cases are ongoing and sadly increasing.and loos like will increase. This with related issues needs a specific platform and this is the only one.

I suggest a new section on the left or right or where specific subjects are discussed like Niyat and Mehmani.These sections should have a team of a few who are using their own names and they are on that Editorial team. The sections objective is
1 specific religious subjects are discussed and then a summary or write ups and material are shared with all including the Institutuoins
2 specofic concerns posted by the Jamat and the team will write to and share and get feed back from our institution or others as Ismaili net

I am sure we will have a few who will come forward to be on the editorial support team for these 2 sections or similar?

.

Institutte of Ismaili

Institutte of Ismaili studies mandate approved and signed by Hazar Imam in 1977 is " to encourage, increase, extend, dissemanite , and promote knowledge of, and to support research into the religious, spiritual, and cultural heritage of the Shia Imami Ismailia Tarquah of Islam.

Are the institutte of Ismaili studies who have a budget of 20 million dollars this year doing that ?

Do IIS publish books and research on Ismaili Tariquah or Farmans ?

Do IIS increase extend and promote knowledge of the Ismaili Tariquah ?

Do IIS extend disseminate extend and promote the religious, spiritual and cultural heritage of the Ismaili tariquah ?

Do they - Should they not do so now !

Solutions of Jamati Problems - How and Why - in India ? !

Dear All - Ya Ali Madad ,
cases in hon. courts at mumbai are on its ways ahead ,
the case against national council for illegal collection of funds , from jamats , by selling coupons of diamond jubillee trust , in jks , daily , in the name of institutional support program , is on hearing , on 1/3/2013 ,
.....the case against NCAB , National Council , ITREB , is for evidence by my client , on 1/3/2 013 ,
in addition ,
i am in continuous reading contact of comments here , and e mails to me ,
from my observations in general , it is my inference , that , writing of thousands of letters to leaders are never responded ,
so , recently some active jamati members , in india , on trial basis , contacted individually some jamati members , and , informed , with proof and documentary evidences , that , our leaders are working , not as per guidance of MHI , but against guidance of MHI ,
so they said , why don't you put all these facts before all india jamats
....tolerence power of jamats in india has gone beyond limits since long back , once put facts before jamats and see reactions from jamats ! ,
i think it is now on the way to happen in india , ......ya ali madad.....!

@Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani re: Feb. 19th (Solutions...

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Mowla Aly madad, Mansoor bhai!
All the best!

You are right Mr

You are right Mr Noorani,
The few Leaders in top position who control, are arrogant and have promoted a culture of self interest and self preservation at the expense of the Jamat and our community. For example ,
1 Leaders don't reply (and marginalise those who ask)
2 They call murids to meetings and then dont give information or address concerns but instead threaten them as in your case.
3,They don't give reports of all the programs and budgets or even contact of leaders who are controlling the budgets and our companies, or how many Ismailis are benefiting.
4 They don't give Farmans or explain them. in fact they openly say these must not be copies given or even explained
5 They don't teach or explain our rites and practices
6 They don't give the constitution or the rules and in your case you asked and they refused.
7 They dont stop the case against Nagib and Alnaz
8 They dont make rulings at NCAB and ICAB
They dont tell the court the truth that Farmans are not available in all JK's
9 They don't tell the Jamat what they have done with the golden Jubilee Funds and TKN - for example how many poor old and vulnerable Ismailies have benefited from the EXTRA funds allocated by Hazar Imam, and the 50 programs since July 2007 - In India Pakistan Afghanistan syria Badakshan and other countries.

The above is totally against Imams Farmans and the ethics pf our Tariquah.

What is different today is that because of the internet. this website, many more now sharing, court cases, complaints, they cannot hide and block the truth. Jamats can find out more and easily by even googling.

More working in our institutions must share and do what Imam says in Farmans.

I agree we the Jamat need to help each other in doing what Imam says in Farmans. So that the above 8 "don't" become "do" That is what Imam says in Farmans.

NCABS and ICAB mediators

NCABS and ICAB mediators conference in London 5 days ended yesterday - In May 2010- a few weeks after the lawsuit was filed exhibiting also M Keshavjee letter.
M Keshavjee as head of ITREBS and mediation Training for CABS said.

1. one training module will not work for Ismailies because they live in different countries ! - do we need 25 constitutions too !
2. Conflict is complex phenomenon - Is justice complex too
3. Training Ismailies in diverse parts is complex and challenging ! - Ismailies are one big family
4. After 12 years we still have critical issues and questions to be addressed - because you have failed and did not want to ! too busy with your own interests
5. Every training module for every country is very different - so 25 training modules for 25 countries ! ... So no need for international integration and standardisation or transparency ?
6 We need a greater concern for fairness and justice

Why then have an international NCAB-ICAB mediators from different conference in London for 5 days , at a cost of over $50000 .

An admission of failure in understanding and training ! No wonder NCAB and ICAB don't mediate but give unilateral rulings without giving precedents rules or the constitution to the Jamats

" Conducting training programmes in such diverse parts of the world is a very challenging exercise. ! You may ask what are some of the critical questions that have arisen and which need to be addressed.

I will highlight only three main ones:

First, there is no one module identical from one country to another that will work. Cultures are diverse and conflict is a complex phenomenon.

One has to be flexible on the module one uses without in any way compromising on the basic principles of mediation. We have found that a highly individualistic, problem solving module utilised mainly in the Occident, does not always work in societies that are more relational in their cultural make-up.

Hence, adaptation is always needed.

Secondly, some of the best dispute resolvers are from the societies themselves. They understand the culture, the traditions, the norms and the values. By refurbishing existing systems through appropriate training programmes, one is able to provide a service to a community that is culturally relevant and acceptable.

Thirdly, there is no one processual module and often communities, depending on their levels of development, utilise an approach which may be closer to the directive end of the mediation spectrum rather than the facilitative end.

To force a change will not always work. One needs to lead people gently and help them embrace principles of contemporary mediation practice which encompass notions such as better listening skills, greater gender equity and GREATER CONCERN for FAIRNESS and JUSTICE ! "

http://www.iis.ac.uk/SiteAssets/pdf/The_Philosophy_of_Mediation_Question...

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