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Defenses Glorifying the Aga Khan filed in federal Court - 2010-04-29

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Thursday, 2010, April 29
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In a surprisingly rapid twist of events, both Mr Tajdin and Mr Jiwa have filed their respective statements of Defense this 29th of April 2010. They affirm to being devoted followers who will unconditionally abide by the wishes of the Aga Khan, whom they glorify in their defense.

Mr Tajdin declares that:

He has not been served yet but the ethics imposed upon him by his faith demands that he should not keep in ignorance the public by being silent on the issue and should clarify all of the facts, pertaining to this lawsuit, of which he is aware.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of his wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

He has been printing Farman books since 1992 with approval and instructions from the Imam received on August 15, 1992 in Montreal.

He has not received any communication from the Imam from 1992 to 2009 instructing him to stop publication.

He cannot stop publication without instruction from the Imam as this would be a breach of his oath of allegiance to the Imam.

All Farman publications were financial deficit projects done as a volunteer service and large numbers of books were distributed free of charge.

Farman sharing is a historic Ismaili tradition which still continues today.

The current Ismaili Constitution does not restrict the right to publish Farmans

Mr Tajdin concludes that:

He has no choice but to await further direct instructions from the Imam.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of His wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

Mr Jiwa states that:

"This action does not appear to have been authorized personally by the Aga Khan .."

"In distributing Farman books obtained from Tajdin to other Ismailis, he has not violated either the Ismaili Constitution or any Farmans"

He has not violated the copyright act as "Tajdin was given express authority by the Imam" and regardless of the fact that "the limitations period provided for by the Copyright Act also bars this action as the books containing the Farmans were commenced publication in the year 1992", he will still do whatever the Imam tells him to do.

Mr Jiwa clarifies finances:

He "obtains these books for C$50.00 from Tajdin and sells it for C$50.00, without any profit.

"All monies received by him from the sale of (other) books after 2005 were delivered to the Jamatkhanas"

Mr Jiwa further states that:

"If the Imam edited the Farman before releasing to the Jamats, in effect he is superceding the Farman he made orally previously."

He "unconditionally reconfirms his oath of allegiance to his Imam" and "if the Imam does not desire his Farman books to be distributed to the Jamats (...) this defendant will submit to the instructions of His Imam without reservation whatsoever"

Replies From the Plaintiff are due within 10 days, and Affidavits of Documents are due 30 days later.

[Update from May 6: Ogilvy Renault, the law firm which launched the case has asked for an extension of 15 days to reply to the Defense. They claim delays due to breakdown of email servers, blackberry communication, travel of senior lawyer, time difference with Paris etc...The more delays in this file, the more damage it creates to the reputation of the Ismaili community, the Imam and the defendants. It is to the advantage of all parties that this case be withdrawn from the courts.]

[Update from June 22: Defendants have filed a Motion for summary Judgement to have the case dismissed.]

[Update from September 5:
Online Book that gathers court materials as well as articles that are currently available for the ongoing 2010 Lawsuit:

Copyright Lawsuit 2010: Online Book of All available Materials
News on cross-examinations:
Copyright Lawsuit: CROSS_EXAMINATIONS Table of Contents - 2010-09-04
Latest Development
Copyright Lawsuit: Imam Appears for Discovery and Ends the Case - 2010-10-15
As users are asking to read the letters from Nagib and Alnaz on the court docket, the latest have been attached on the following link:
A. Various Court Filings

Revised Factums have been posted Here:
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment : Plaintiffs Revised Combined Factums of Reply and of Motion
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment: Defendants' Revised Factums of Motion and of Reply

There has been proven fraud in the recent past in the Aga Khan's domain by the Aga Khan's agents:
Aga Khan Lawsuit: Fraud at Aga Khan Studs - 2000-02-22

2011-05-25: A Jamati Member who has never met the Defendants volunteered as his brotherly duty to pay the $30,000 that was demanded in the Plaintiff''s submissions and that was accordingly ordered by the judge.
Read the full details of the $30,000 payment directly to H.H. The Aga Khan.

2011-06-16: The Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law against the Summary Judgment has been filed in court by the defendants on June 16th, 2011.
Read the Full Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law

Link to Court Docket Case T-514-10
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-60-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-59-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-156-13

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Justice Harrington ordered

Justice Harrington ordered that Damages or Profit should be paid to Plaintiff.

Once I even proposed to pay double of whatever reasonable amount the plaintiff SS wants. After all the Judgement says to pay to the Imam, not to his "advisers" ;-)

The discussion about this has taken 2 years without any reason. Though it is obvious that this project was a deficit project, and the Reference ordered by Justice Harrington is only to decide the $ amount, the defendants have been harassed for much more and the focus of the real plaintiff (Sachedina) is to get the name of all those who have bought the book. The Judgement never allowed anything else except money but the whole process was hijacked to ask more and more information unrelated to profit.

To stop this madness, we have proposed to pay $65,000 and not claim as deduction shipping expenses, free books given, cost of preparation of the book etc...

So the amount of $65,000 was not decided by Harrington. If we go by Harrington, there is nothing to pay. Hope this replies to your question.

Nagib Tajdin

@Nagib - re: Justice Harrington ordered...

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Yes, indeed, you have replied to my question, Nagib. Thank you most sincerely for these explanations.
And I also recall now that SS wanted the names of those who had bought the book, and, I think, the list of your accounts...This is more that harassment.

Ya Aly madad.

Multi interests Transparency

Roshan, (part of AKDN), today announced it has secured funding from the International Finance Corporation (IFC), a member of the World Bank Group, to support the rollout of the company’s 3G and high speed data services throughout the country. IFC will provide Roshan debt financing for the amount of $65 million. The company directly and indirectly employs 41000 people. How many are Ismailis is not known. Accounts of Roshan are not availabe to the community.

What Hazar Imam says, “ Towards better governance. A third caveat that AKDN considers central is that social and economic institutions, including civil society, should be governed by the concepts of transparency, meritocracy and competence.. As we work to encourage the development of a stronger human resource base, we also work to discourage practices which impede and distort meritocratic processes. civil society,

The CEO of Roshan is Karim Khoja for the last 10 years. His brother in Law is Firoz Rasul (AKU Chairman). and they with Noordin Nanji (ICAB) and Malik Talib (President Canada) have been involved in Exi Wireless Inc. The CEO is Malik Talib. The previous CEO was Karim Khoja who is now the Chairman. K Khoja is Director of Jumptap Inc.

What Khoja says does not add

What Khoja says does not add up !

Khoja said "Roshan plans to invest up to $100 million in its home market this year (2011) and expects 5.75 million subscribers by 2012.

" "We invest between $50 to $100 million annually and we will invest from retained earnings," Khoja said in an interview at a telecoms conference in Abu Dhabi. "We have sufficient cash flow now." "There is still a huge potential for us and we are working to increase our market share," he said. (Reuters) - therefore the yearly profit is $75 million a year!

If they are making $50 to $ 100 million a year - why do they need to take a loan of $ 65 million to invest in 2013 for a 3 G licence ?

"Chief Executive Karim Khoja also said the company planned to offer third-generation (3G) services in the war-battered country and the roll-out was expected to start in the next six to 12 months. " this should have started in 2012 - now expected in 2013.

AKDN owns 51% of Roshan - 49% is owned by 2 other shareholders. The investment in 2007 was $400m and if every year $75m was added then the total investment by now is over $850 million ? Why are they not showing the snnual financial report on the AKDN website ?

Etisalat started was first

Etisalat started was first to Introduce 3G in Jun 2012 - " “I would like to congratulate Etisalat in becoming the first company to launch 3G services in Afghanistan and the efforts to rapidly expand the services to different provinces of the country. 3G technology can help Afghans to connect more conveniently and enjoy telecom services provided to them through public private partnership between Ministry of Communications & IT and private sector.”

Why was not Roshan not able to do so by June 2012 ? Khoja says they have the funds ! How many customers Roshan lost in 9 months , and is loosing every day today ? - Etisalat is the fastest growing telecom co in Afghanistan !

Roshan started in 2003 paid

Roshan started in 2003 paid only $5 million for licence for 15 years. what will happen in 2018?
ETISALAT started in 2007 The fourth GSM license was awarded to Etisalat for a total license fee of $40.1million. Etisalat Afghanistan is a 100% owned subsidiary of the UAE-based Etisalat Telecommunications Corporation, a multinational telecom company operating in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Etisalat Afghanistan commenced commercial services in August 2007, and within a span of only five years has emerged as a major telecom operator in the country attracting over 3.5 million subscribers. With over 1,100 telecom base stations, Etisalat has a presence in all major cities, 30 provincial capitals, and 182.

Typical with management

Typical with management complaceny and taking the eyes of the ball ! If not reversed growth can stagnate and market share will go down. Will they need more loans in 2018 when licence expires ?

Just to Clarify .....that ......!

Dear All , Ya Ali Madad , Dear Cello had asked me to clarify more on second point , i require to clearify , on ,
my second point , that ,
there are some here , who all the time , sends Dignosis Report only , each by each disease ,
......this leader is like this disease , that leader is like that disease ,
.......i do agree ,...... number of diseases ( leaders ) are there , but , how long you will discuss on dignosis of diseaes only , what about treatment then to be done ? ,
if no treatment done , then , you are interested in direct " post mortem " only ?! ,
if you not having proper treatment with you , and , where there is requirement of Major Operation , then , do not give , simple colourful pills only , and , time pass , with saying , that , my treatment is going on , ....my trreatment is going on , ......don't worry ...... but , there is nothing except worry , in the way you are treating ,
there are some in jamats , who understand that only they are clever , .....and jamats - jamati members could easily be made fool on certain points - like on creation of some particular impression of some particular person/s on post , no problem , it i your right , you can , but , it should not be to such extnt , that , it may be smelling of some or other personsl revange ,
i dont mind for any ismaili , fighting for rights of jamats , against any leaders , ...go on till prblem ends ,
but , if there is any your personal griviencies , then , please don't give it a touch of jamati issue ,
.....and , if SS and Co , says , that , how ever we are ! , but , our Name and Identity are Open , before Jamats ? , then , why do you hide your identity before jamats , and , prove a Case of Double Standards only ? , then , what will be your reply ? ! ,
will it be only reply , that , yes , if + ( plus ) , then mine , if -- (minus ) then yours ?! ,
if you really wanted to serve the Imam and Jamats , then you did not need to hide your identity ! , otherwise you are showing difference in your own standards , or , otherwise , you allow others , to take liberty , to consider , that , what ever you are doing is not for Imam and Jamats ! , but of your own purposes ,
with remembering , SS and Co. , there should be some other activities also on hands , for jamats , by you , from you ,
i have also been criticizing SS and Co , but , it does not mean , that , daily , all the time , only same repetition and no any other suggestion/s or any matter of interests for jamats ,
....if .some body is weak may feel fainted of reading , such repetition ,
i have marked , if MHI's name were taken for that much time , instead of only SS and Co , then , definitely MHI would had heard it as special prayers , and , got so pleased , that , He might had solved out so many of problems - submitted , by concerned here ,
....i don't favor SSand Co. , i was there and i am there to criticize , on the point/s concerned , but , when you are lucky to have such and only Site here , then , it should have been used , for some other ways - jamati works also , in the interest of jamats ,
only criticizm of SS and Co , may help you , but , will not help jamats , and , more important is , how you do some thing , that , SS and Co is compelled to see you !,
but , if one thinks , that , i alone and alone , no body to overtake me , and , you continue writing - blaming SS and Co. , and , writing on SS and Co. to CABS, only , and , expecting others also , to do the repetition of his blaming and writing to CABS , and , doing nothing else , does not mean anything ,
when we are on such board here , on this Site , eyes of the jamats and of course leaders , are on this Only Site - easily availble and available to read , write and reply , tripled facility , and know , as to what happens next ? ,
jamats , which are in frustatations , since decades , and , are expecting some thing concrete workings - results , from those here who makes submissions here , and , the ways adopted , should not be such , which does not create any effect on leaders , at local or international ,
in india , after our submissions in meetings , not all done as demanded , but , under the effect of some compulsions , there has started reformations , some such more and effective improvements in local - national administrations , beyond expctations of jamats , and , affecting in probably all JKs, by different boards - councils , particularly ITREB , DJT , CABS , National Council , etc . that , jamats are feeling better than earlier , and , that is our Main Aim , not only aim of continuing blaming ,
and , i am hopeful , it will continue , and , i and others with me are on the way to see , that , administration by leaders , will conitnue to be improved , in the way only , as , MHI wishes , and , no body , may be SS and Co , could stop it ,
and leaders in india , know very well , that , this is india , and , there is no alternate except getting submitted to jamats in india , or , ....or , they know , what jamats in india can do ?! ,......if SS and Co. , co - operates to jamats , it will be better for them also , that , they will be welcome by jamats , and , if does not , then , it will not make any difference in activities here , for jamats ,
some results are there and some better - more results will be there , .........ya ali madad .........!

Thank you for your

Thank you for your explanation above Mansoorali Bhai! On one point, I agree with Pakifellah that it is not a good idea to use one's real name online, but your a different reason: using your real name helps hackers to track your identity. I mean, most of the time, you don't even need to be a hacker to gain information, you just need to do some proper google, ip and a few other searches. It's always a good idea to protect your personal information online! Yam!

Just to Clarify .....that ......!

Ya ali madad As I said in my last post hope it gets through the moderator, what is the core of the problem ?????

is it our nicknames or our real names, lets say we all from tomorrow use our real names will the problems and concerns go away or the families and the person involved in this struggle will be marginalised and spit upon through our system that is now the property of few individuals. all the institutions from top to bottom which sole purpose is to provide the jamat the fair administration practice and process are they delivering ?? These so called Leaders cannot even deliver a Murid a 3 feet of space and AN ENVIROMENT THAT IS PURELY SPIRITUAL. I dont need to say a word more.

Let me tell you what our leaderships are capable of. they are only capable of making wrong decisions. wrong planning and wasting MHI money and resources and also wasting jamati funds and the biggest problems is they are BLIND they cannot see how much harm they are inflicting and damaging the BEST CIVIL SOCIETY in the Islamic world, No matter what ever we try and do to bring them to their senses the will never learn, in the USA there is a group called ALCOHOLIC ANONYMOUS this group helps people with drinking and alcoholic related problems. each and every person who joins the group will have to say out loud that he or she is an alcoholic and he or she have to accept alcoholism as a problem and a disease, why , BECAUSE THERE IS NO SOLUTION OR A CURE UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE CAUSE OF THE MATTER, so this is what we have to make our leaders realise their addiction to chairs and lust for power and positions in the elite circle. without acceptation and realisation there is no salvation not here in this world nor the eternal world.
and another big point to consider we have to CHANGE our system of appointment, NO MORE HAND PICKING FRIENDS AND FAMILY and of course YES MEN AND WOMEN. We must have a process of ELECTION where the candidate needs to prove eligibility and educational qualification plus experience, who ever the jamat pick, the 1st runner and the runner up their names should be submitted to MHI for a FINAL APPROVAL. and at the end of their terms they should submit their achievements and progress report and what they did for the betterment of the JAMAT. without that report they cannot run for another office. MHI has given us the constitution and every thing is crystal clear. If we adopt this system we will NOT BE IN ANY WAY GOING AGAINST THE WILL OF MHI but on the other hand we might find THE MOST TALENTED INDIVIDUALS WITH PURE HEARTS TO SERVE THE IMAM, HIS IMAMAT AND HIS JAMAT.

ENJOY YOUR SPRING.

YA ALI MADAD

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani

Ya Ali Madad: Mansoor Bhai and all, lately, I have been out of touch reasons are many but I have read your post dated
March 27, and this is in response to that post, in january of this year I wrote something in the forum, but I think it was
not the right time for that posting ( reproduced below for reference) and there was not enough response either except one from bloglaw. Here is what I have said and want to emphasize again. ME PERSONALLY I AM NOT AGAINST MHI DECISIONS I HAVE GIVEN MY BAYAT TO HIM WHEN I WAS JUST A LITTLE BABY COMPLETELY INNOCENT THROUGH MY PARENTS, THEN DURING THE GJ HOMAGE WE ALL RENEWED OUR ALLEGIENCE AT THAT TIME I WAS A VERY SANE PERSON, AND INFACT WE WERE ALL . A LOT OF TIMES I RIGHT SOME VERY VERY STRONG AND STRAIGHT FORWARD STUFF ( I DO NOT KNOW THE LANGUAGE OF DIPLOMAT) WHICH IS SOMETIMES UNPLEASANT TO MANY AUDIENCE AND MANY A TIME SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS GO DOWN THE DRAIN.
There is one simple rule the BRITS left us with before they were gone and that is DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Our top leaders are the production of that era and with that mentality (even the japanese have refuse to REFURBISHED them reason they do not have the technology ha ha ha) well we are stuck with them and as individual fighting our own battle, may be one of us will succeed in his or her quest but not the whole jamat. plenty of small battles are being faught right now but our sole goal should be to win THE WAR against the corrupted leaders and their corruptions and for that we will have to fight as ONE WITH ONE VOICE and that is what i suggested few months back, may be this could be the right time I hope. here is the reproductions:

Just a thought
On January 15th, 2013 Pakifellah (not verified) says:
Here today we have seen so many authors who post their opinions here, some are very very good some are very informative and some very educative and sorry to say some are just plain *** or civilizly speaking off the topics. Well what can we do freedom of speech. What did MHI answered when asked about the cartoon of prophet Mohammed (SAW) you know that. But still here his own followers who claim themselves MURID expresses and abuses the right of free speech . So sad.

Well here is a suggestion, we will never be able to achieve what we want from our leaders on our own, writing individually no transparency no accountability no responsibility you name it. This forum here exist but not a single response from the leaders, they all visit this site, they all know what is going on and what we are discussing, if they don't pay attention they do have agents out there and in here who may not only be forwarding stuffs to them but also but also disrupt a good debate by posting flammable materials and takes the whole debate in a different direction. We have all seen that happen, So what do we do????? here is a simple thought, we have everything in place the whole infrastructure i.e this forum. Now all we need to do advertise the existence to the rest of the jamat , we will here create a group of directors to whom the concern is express privately and then it can be discuss among the directors and if need perused a letter would be sent to the accused, as us being a body not an individual and response is required in due period, if the body we will make, thinks, the complaints are legitimate, it will be published on the website and a demand for response from the defendants. either be an individual or an institution.

What I am suggesting is according to the constitution , the institution are accountable to the Jamat .we will appoint chairman and directors, it will be a collective group one goes down everyone goes down type. we can only win as one voice that is exactly what they do, if they get scared and they do things like they did in copyright case make announcements in the jk and every leader/s involved speaks the same language, but if the complaint is on the web then the jamat will also have a chance to see every details on the web and then make their own decisions.

what do you guys thinks, workable.

YA ALI MADAD

reply United States

and YA ALI MADAD have a safe one

Hazar Imam encourages new

Hazar Imam encourages new initiatives. 13 December 2008 "“.I am concerned about unevenness in the quality of life of our Jamat worldwide & where the quality of life is not what it should be , I believe we all have a serious responsibility to mobilise the resources , human & material, to take the time, so that we are able to put in place new initiatives which will help the Jamat in these countries, and to find a new economic and social standing in the world community,. " ".Members of the Jamat Likely to benefit, ... What we need to do is start the programs, and listen to the beneficiaries, we can learn from them how they perceive the work that is being done, so that we can adjust that work on an ongoing basis in these various communities."

Working together is critical

Working together is critical and should be welcomed. We started a Jamat to Jamat support alliance recently. The following is my letter to our Leaders in UK. Since this letter we have registered this as a not for profit allaince in UK

Letter to Mukhi and President UK with Farmans and objectives

Ismaili Support Alliance (ISA) has been started by members of the Jamat following engagement with the various traditions within the jamat with the aim of bringing together and giving mutual and self - support to, and engagement within our various Ismaili traditions in UK, including enhancing understanding of and between our various traditions

Last year we had many meeting and discussions with murids from the Afghani tradition as you know. The related Program was presented to President Saheb under "EK Jamat" , which we understood will be implemented by the Council in this cycle (2012-2015). ISA, will enhance and suppliment such Institutional programs and seeks to address those which our Institutions have not been able to address.

ISG is in the spirit of a multi traditional partnership of Ismailies for Ismailies.

We hope we will receive cooperation from you, and our institutions, in the same way as the support given to other Ismaili professional, commercial, and Jamati associations, networks, and alliances. ISG is not competing, but complimentary, enhancing, and enabling Ismali network.

We have identified and initiated the first ISG program centered on the Afghani traditions which is not addressed currently by our Institutions.

We are requesting your support in allocating a room or area within the Jamatkhana premises in West London, to hold our meetings, which will be once a month. The Leadership and particularly the EK Jamat Team are most welcome to attend. We expect to have 20 including our committee in our meetings from the various traditions in the Jamats. The benefits are the same as any and all other Ismaili meetings and gatherings, including the optimum use of this Ismaili Centre in line with Imam’s Farmans.

We look forward to your support. If you need to discuss this please let me know. In starting and writing to you to work together, we are also guided by our ethics and Farmans (see some below), in starting this initiative.

With Ya Ali Madad
M Chatur (for ISA)

"A vast decentralisation of decision-making is already occurring in many countries; it has the advantage of placing new responsibilities in the hands of local communities.... For the key to future progress will lie less in traditional top-down systems of command and control — and more in a broad, bottom-up spirit of coordination and co-operation.... Social progress, in the long run, will not be found by delegating an all-dominant role to any one player — but rather through multi-sector partnerships." 2006 AKU

“ Mukhis and Kamadias represent the Imam of the time. They represent the Imam in the Jamat Khanna,.... it is their responsibility to see that the Imams Farmans are fulfilled by the Jamat and to explain these Farmans to the Jamat. I have made this Farman about unity in the Jamat, up and I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to ensure to do everything possible that there is uniquely in my Jamat. I have made Farmans about cooperation between local institution and central institutions I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to do everything possible to see that our country institutions coordinate and work properly with the central institutions.

"Our world is changing, our Jamat is changing, its needs are changing. What can we do so that the service we provide in the years ahead will be more effective than what we have done in the past? This is a question every generation of Jamati leaders, every generation of Jamati institutions must ask itself, because, society does not stand still, it is in a state of continuous change. In order to serve that change and to direct that change so that it is beneficial to the Jamat rather than damaging to the Jamat, you must ask yourself: How can I improve my service?What is the thing that my institution can do better if it is not doing?

"This means that there is a premium on intelligent service, on competent service, not just service for the sake of service, but service for the betterment of the people and for the betterment of the institutions”

"What I am saying to you is that you should have confidence in your own judgment, confidence in your ability to analyze problems, confidence in your ability to develop solutions to those problems. Bring forward your ideas. It is only the stupid person who doesn't listen to ideas. It means he is like a horse who lives with blinkers and all he sees ahead of him is a little tiny dimension of light No, that's not for our Jamat. Listen to ideas, develop ideas, create ideas and bring them forward for the service of the Jamat. "So be happy, don't be worried, be creative and confident...." -- Hyderabad, Pakistan. March 1989 To Volunteers

"Now I have spoken to you about the plans a little bit for the future but I want all of you here tonight, and this is a point which is particularly important, to know, that there are not openings for four or five hundred spiritual children in our institutions. We just do not have these number of places. But in the long run, you can do a lot more, if you really set your minds to it, outside the institutions than inside, simply by reacting intelligently to changes But not only intelligently, I should say even from a conservative point of view, but an intelligent conservative point of view In other words, use your past, use your education to move forward ... “ -- Dar-es-Salaam, Tanganyika(Tanzania). Sunday, October 11, 1959. Changombe Jamatkhana.

“ Keep in mind, my spiritual children, that, wherever you are living, the essence of our Tariqah is what must guide you in your lives. And the essence of Tariqah comes from the knowledge of the ethics that have come from our history, from the interpretation of our faith, from the way in which we use Aql – knowledge – for the benefit of the Jamat in the decades ahead…” “ Above all, this Ismaili Centre is being conceived in the ethic of respect for human dignity. It will, therefore, aim to empathise with, and to expand our intellectual, cultural and moral horizons. “The Centre will provide facilities to promote cultural, educational and social programmes from the broadest, non-denominational perspectives within the ethical framework of Islam… (Dubai)

".. Councils as a whole will need to focus collectively on all aspects of the quality of life (din & dunya) in an integrated way rather than ... leaving individual aspects to separate boards.........poor people will never be able to draw successfully on these support programs if they have to go from one institution to another. the organisational implication will be reflected in the constitution and articulated at the next cycle of institutional appointment. no doubt the constitution of the jamat will need to be adjusted so that these new initiatives can be entered into the constitution..." Dec 2008
In 1987, ITREB UK had Board meetings and decided that members and staff of ITREB ,in their private capacity, can attend where Ismaili families and friends gather at their homes to discuss our Faith and Tariquah.
There was a meeting with Hazar Imam. Hazar Imam asked if there are any questions. Chairman of ITREB UK asked the following questions.
1 Khudavind, are Farmans to be given to the Jamat. Hazar Imam said, Farmans are for the Jamat
2 Khudavind, are the Jamat allowed to gather in their homes to discuss our Tariquah. Hazar Imam said, “ of course they are, the Jamat are searching ”

On 20th October 1987, ITREB UK published new booklets of Farmans and gave them confirming that “.The Tariquah Board is very anxious that the Jamat has regular access to guidance given by Mawlana Hazar Imam.”

Key Objectives

• To create a network of solidarity of the various Ismaili traditions in our community
• To learn more about the various traditions in the Ismaili community
• To develop and enable inter traditional engagement locally and globally within Ismailies.
• To identify areas of mutual cooperation
• To identify, create enable and develop self-supporting projects in the jamats
• To identify self-help and self-sustaining projects which are mutually beneficial to murids
• To support projects with are by the Local Jamats for the Local Jamats,
• To create, develop support and or foster a deeper sense of caring and a sharing brotherhood within the jamat
• To support to reduce unemployment, poverty vulnerability in the jamat
• To enable maximising of individual potential of murids globally
• To help the jamat to maximise their potential for both their material and spiritual improvement

Key outcomes and benefit

1 More awareness of mutual needs and concerns.
2 More interaction, integration, and mutual support across traditions and borders
3 More understanding of each others traditions and practices
4 More understanding of Institutional support programs
5 And generally the following;
a. Increased unity and trust within the Jamat
b. Increased feeling of brotherhood and awareness
c. Jamat to feel more welcome and will help and support each other and therefore our institutions
d. Increased participation and openness
e. Increased attendance and use of the JK by the Jamat in all areas.

Solution

I agree that the solution is for murids to do everything to improve administration and to share information and farmans with the Jamats. We must do what Imam says. Even if others dont. Looks like in India you are seeing some improvements. And you know what to do next. Looks like you have a plan. Internationally looks like there is a Plan too.

In other countries, because of cases and complaints more are aware and very small improvements have started. Many now know the truth and have read the evidence. In UK NCAB and ICAB will do what SS and Co say , not what Imam says. If that happens, the next step will be the courts in UK , like in India. Meanwhile some have also started their own groups of Ismailis to help the Jamat.

Compared to one year ago, many are reading, interested and writing or speaking to Leaders. SS and Co will no longer be able to fool the Jamats and Leaders.

Too many now know the truth. Less that 5% of the Leaders knew the truth 2 years ago, Today more than 50% of the Leaders know the truth. Every day more are finding out and learning. Leaders who know will welcome the Jamats and the Jamats will welcome them back and they will work together and do what Imam says.

We must all help each other by sharing Farmans and information. I agree more need use their own name and not be afraid because when you are Farman Bardari, you are-protected by MHI. Many more are using their names.

The snow ball is almost ready to start rolling. Writing , informing, and reminding Leaders is very important. They will have no excuse to give to the Jamat or to their own Families when they are compelled to meet and do what Imam says.

@ Allumni ,( I Pray ) , You were Concious , while Posting ....!

Dear Allumni , Ya Ali Madad ,
How is your health now ? , if was not well , while you wrote this comment ! ,
sorry , i need to give you back , your own words , only ......that.......
" I agree more need use their own name and not be afraid because when you are farman bardari , you are protected by MHI . many more are using their names."
now my questions to you ,
(1) what you have agreed for ? , when you your self are not writing your own name ( is Allumni your real name or name for hiding identification ? - if it is your real name , then , you can come - clear with full name , so as to identfy ! , Allumni does not clear any identification ) ,
(2) by not writing your name , you accept that you are afraid of ,....then , whom are you afraid of ? ,
(3) as per your own , who writes name , is Farman Bardari ? ,
(4) when you your self are not writing your name , how you say , many more are using their names ? ,

.....i read your this comment , twice - thrice , but , could not make out , what is your exact message ? ,

......after my this reply ,will you , please , come out with your own Identifiable Name , and oblige me ,
.....just to confirm , that , your comment was not a part of hiocracy only ,
......and , further to confirm , that , you are not the same person , who seems writing different posts here in different names ,
( I Pray ), you come back soon with your Identification , and , do not allow my doubts to be confirmed ,
.....i am waiting for , .....thank you , ....ya ali madad .....! ,

We must also respect those

We must also respect those who wish to use a pen name for whatever reasons. What matters is they all do and what they say is as important. Those who are happy to use their name should. The more the better. Ya Ali Madad

In 1992 Hazar Imam in a

In 1992 Hazar Imam in a Mehmani accepted the book of Farmans and said to continue the good work. Nagib did what Hazar Imam said, shared Farmans and also information on this website. Yes ?

In 1992 Hazar Imam made the following Farman and approved the ITREB mission statement,. Have ITREB and IIS done and are now doing what Hazar Imam has asked them to forsee and do.?

"..The second question is within that vision of the younger generation, one generation from now, two generations from now, what are the questions that they will be asking? They will be asking first of all, how do they relate to our Tariqah? And therefore they will be asking, what is the essence of our Tariqah and are we able to articulate the essence of the Tariqah in a language which is a language that they will understand, not having been born in our traditional societies, never having seen them, never having been exposed to them, how will they sense their position within our Tariqah? (Dinner in Vancouver, August 25, 1992)

Latest Reply by NCAB UK -

Latest Reply by NCAB UK - They say they want to make the process more transparent and clear - Will they now provide the rules, the constitution and Farmans ? Will they clear the confusion & questions below?

From: Nazmin Kassam
To: gafoor111@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Complaint against Abdulla J. Dharamsey of London UK

Dear Mr Jaffar,

I write further to previous correspondence. We have recently received a number of complaints, in various formats, pursuant to Article 14 of the Constitution. In order to simplify the process and make it as clear and transparent as possible for the Applicants and the Respondents, we are currently finalising our proforma documentation.

We apologise for the consequential delay in dealing with your application but following a prescribed procedure will be in the interests of all parties and we believe will save further time in the long run.

I shall write to you again shortly and provide you with the necessary information and documents with which to progress your matter.

Kind regards
With warm regards,

Nazmin Kassam
Tel: 01923 828 091
Mob: 07808 783 810
Email: nazminkassam@gmail.com
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From: Gafoor
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:09 AM

Ya Ali Madad Nazmin,

Thanks for the update.

I am a little confused with some of the issues you have mentioned. Can you please shed some light on the following:

1. New Formats for the Complaints - Does this mean that I will have to refile the Compliant?

2. Does this mean that all the Complaints that have been filled with NCAB will have to refiled?

3. How many Complaints fall under this new Format and how far back are you going back? Who approved these Formats and why?

4. Am I going to get the response that Mr. A. J. Dhramsey has filed to my Compliant? If he has, can you please forward it to me. Please do so before you reach any decision as I may have to rebuttal.

5. Am I going to get the last Constitution in full that Imam has signed that was never distributed to the Jamat? And is this the Constitution you will be using to base your ruling? Where and when this Constitution was signed?

6. Has there been any changes to the last Constitution that Imam has signed? What are those changes and were these changes approved by the Imam? Any Farmans or correspondences that shows that Imam has approved the changes?

7. Please also provide all the Rules & Regulations of NCAB and are these all approved by the Imam?

I will have more questions for you as I need to understand your process as this info has never been shared to the Jamat.

Kind Regards,

Gafoor Jaffer

Kindly Respond , i am right or wrong , in my observation/s ?!

Dear All , including Yasmin , Kanize , Abdullah , Nato Moez , Murad , Pakifellah , and , particularly Umed , and , Others , if i forgot to mention their names from here , who have recently , gone in depth of caves of frustations only ,
finding no solutions of jamati problems , and , no results of any activities here , as this site is the only source of inspirations and hopes here , as MHI wishes ,
still , at least , they have dared sometimes here , in writing frank opinon , on the Jamati Issues , discussed here ,
ya ali madad ,

This is , what i have Studied - Obsereved , since years , from the behaviour/s , of our Both Side - Leaders ,
( i may be wrong also , but , i think , i need to write it ) ,
that ,
There are Two Types of Leaders of Jamats / for Jamats ,
(1) Leaders , who are Appointed by our MHI , directly or indirectly , on any post , any where ,
who in their common strugle/s , against Jamats - Jamati Members , who are fighting for rights of jamats , at any level , ......leaders have joined their hands , at all levels , for the purpose , that , at any cost , the raising of voice/s of jamat/s - any jamati members , must be depressurised , any where , in any form/s , at any time , and , that also , by (mis)using unlimited jamati fund/s , collected , illegally from world - jamats itself , and , which fund is meant for jamats only , but , to be used against jamats - jamati members ,
and , then they want to testify , how long Jamats - Jjamati Members , could coninue their fight for right , against leaders ?! ,
they know jamats are not united at all , any where , at any level , and , could never unite also ,
as , those who pretend to Lead - Guide Jamats , to fight for right , are , doing everything , in self orientation programs only , and , misleading jamats - jamati members , in their personal intrests only , which , jamats are never to understand , and , so we are all , not at all , worried till then , ...till , such so said ( self appointed ) leaders continue making foolish jamats - jamati members , at local - international level , just to serve their own - personal interests , but , introducing in the name of jamats only ! ,
(2) Leaders from within Jamats only , ( including me ) , not appointed by MHI , not appointed by Jamats , in short , self - appointed only , who are capable enough of making a show and creating an atmospere , that , they are leading Jamats , at local - international level , but , in fact , who are , never really interested , in general well being of Jamats , in any Aspects , at Any Level ,
and , because , they could do nothing , of their own , they are instigating indirectly others to do something such , that , SS and Co . is blamed all time , by all here , and , no any other programs , in the interests of jamats at any level , and , as if , waiting for a day only ,by making opposed through so many here , SS and Co . is becoming out of Aiglemont Office , and , Me and Co. , could come in Charge of Aiglemont Office , so , that , thereafter , i could do Some Thing - Some Good Works of Jamats - for Jamats ,
i dont think , that , this site is meant to oppose SS and Co. only , and , no other programs - work/s in the intersts of jamats , at any/all levels ,

they mean to say , that , see , i have been writing , thousands of e mails , to our international leaders , but , they do not respond me at all , and so no results at all , ...so , now you all try to do some thing , directly or indirectly , and , then after , i will see , that , credit of doing everything such , comes to me , that , SS and Co. is Out , and , Me and Co, is In ,
they are not doing , what they are actually required to do , and , daily probably , same and only one record , ......SS and Co. .is like this , .....is like that , ......nothing else , .....no program submitted , actually Guiding the Jamats , at any level , that , what jamats are required to do , under the guidance of MHI ? , so that results , at least ,some results are there

they mean to say , .....i try to make understood this thing to Jamats , indirectly , since years , by , writing so many posts in different - different , unidentifiable names , but , it is You - All Jamats , that , do not understand this Simple Thinking and Aim of Mine ,
they mean to say ..........i hope All Jamats , Now Understands Me and My Aim and allows Me and Co to do SEVA of Jamats , at All Levels , by doing Something Such , that , i could take Possession of Aiglemont Office , whether , MHI , is in favour of doing so , or , not ?! ,

they mean to say ,.........and , i don't know , why MHI does not remove SS and Co. , and , why do not appoint Me and My Co. , in place of SS and Co.?! ,........ for which purpose , i am working , hard - hard - hard , since years ?,

they mean to say , .........i wish you all every success , in doing , what i want to get done , by you , for me , in the interest/s of you all .............! ,

they mean to say , .....N.B :- i think some regular participants of past here , have understood , my original aim , and , that is why , they have either stopped writing their posts here , but , i think they should support me , and , continue , writing here , in favour of me ,
........... thank you .....ya ali madad .......!

Mansoorali bhai, I do not

Mansoorali bhai, I do not understand your second point. Do you mind explaining it more?

@ Cello

Dear Cello - Ya Ali Madad ,
i did not understand , that , what you do not understand ? , exactly , which point ( second ) you wanted me to explain more ? , could you , please , explain more ? , ....thank you .....ya ali madad .......!

Mansoorali bhai - We are all

Mansoorali bhai - We are all Murids of the Imam first, Last and equal. We
all do seva in different ways and we are different. That difference is a
strength which we must respect. Murids appointed and not are all serving
the Jamat and the Imam. Those appointed are called by Hazar imam "Leaders
of the Jamat" Many murids who are appointed have forgotten they are murids
who are rthere to serve the Jamat. There are 2 types;

1 Murids who are appointed to serve the Jamat ar
divided into

I. Murids appointed under the
constitution by appointed Leaders (without Imams involvement)

II. Murids whose names are
recommended by appointed Leaders and the names are presented to Imam for
acceptance.

In both the above Hazar Imam in Farmans has said that if 2/3rd of any Board
or committee decide they can remove or suspend a Leader, which even
informing Hazar Imam (read latest ICAB rules approved and signed by Imam as
a Farman). Why do you want Imam to sack anyone if Imam has given you a
farman , on what to do, and how to. Imam has given the Farman. If you do not
follow it how can you ask Imam. It is like saying Imam you have given me a
Farman but I am not following it so can you do for me what you have asked me
to do for my Jamat and for my Imam.

2 Muirds who are not appointed are divided into;

I. Murids who are interested
not in positions but in Imam's Farmans and are serving the Jamat as Imam
says in Farmans and our constitution. Mansoorali bhai I think you are in
this section or murids/Leaders. Nagib Alnaz and many more. These are now and
historically in the minority. Even in the world. In political terms called
activists. In our faith Farman Badari & sevadari momins.

II. Murids who are interested in
positions and they are serving the appointed Leaders and the Jamat and
the Imam. They are the ones who will support when they know the truth.

III. Murids who are not interested in
serving or in positions but to participate as murids in the Jamats, rites
practices, ceremonies and activates They will support when they know and the
time is right.

I don't think you or others are fighting specific Leaders for their
positions. You are doing what Imam is saying in Farmans. SS and Co are
fighting to protect their positions in every way they can, like in your
cases in India. Why ?

Since the lawsuits many more murids are now understanding what they did not
know in the last 20 years. Am I right ? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Leaders think that when someone is doing what Imam says, they are interested
in taking over their positions. If Leaders are doing then why would they be
worried or thinking like that ?

We must continue to share and help if we are doing what is right and what
Imam says in Farmans. Read what Imam said regarding correcting the double
Image of Islam in an open interview.

Question: How can you change this double image? Aga Khan : "By attacking on
all fronts."

Question: Are you prepared to carry out such an attack? Aga khan: "Have you
ever heard of a one-man army?" Full interview
http://www.nanowisdoms.org/nwblog/2074/

Ya Ali Madad.

Are Imam and Jamats Intrested in Me or You ? ....No.......!

Dear @ mansoorali , Ya Ali Madad ,
MHI and Jamats , at all levels , were not and are not intersted in long - long E Mails , Posts and / or Essays only any where ,
They are Interested in Works , and Works which are Speedy Result Oriented ,
Those were Gaazi Jauhar , Hassan Bin Shabbah , (Pir) Sabja Ali , so many others , who were not appointed as leaders , but , they gave effect through their self less works for Imam and Jamats , more than Leaders ,
They were not having any Facility of Vehicle even to travel , and , We are all having - all facilities incuding latest technology ,
and Such Site , where we can put our thoughts and convey any where we wanted , and , still where we are ? , where do we stand ? , and , for what do we stand ? , for a big ZERO only ?
We and Jamats to feel in Darkness only - All the Way , and , that also in Presence of Shining Sun even ? ! ,
Re - Think on what i mean to say , either we are bringing results to gether as jamats , or , we should confess , we can not do any thing , in spite of the availibility of all such facilities with us ,
If you remember , dear bloglaw had , on this site , requested for creation of an international ismaili forum , how many responded ? , i had responded , and , with a view that , if such forum were there , then , it could have a meeting , with SS and Co. and /or LIF , and , have discussion on certain jamati issues , but , not happened possible , if such forum , inclusive of ismaili members from different countries , and if , were put submission for such meeting , then , i think , they would not had denied , and so many issues , could had come to it's solution/s , but , trust and co operation of jamats is most important thing in any activity , so , there and there , where we were !
some might have thought , also , that , when Bloglaw , himself is not clear , on his identification , as to who he is ? , is he single or plural ? then , how to proceed further , with an unknown person ? ,
.....and , there is not necessity of pouring poison only , in the minds of jamats - jamati persons , ....keep some scope of dialog even , with leaders ,
..... if not at all , any dialog by them , then strong steps may require ,
i further mean to say , one has to give up mentality , that , everything , be done - to be done , in My Name only , credit to me only ,
no...no....no.....it's not possible , jamats to be guided effectively to be united , in the way , that , jamats can put their trust into , and , for that , one/ all interested have to be open and come out from behind curtains ( unidenifible names also - to remove the effect of opportunist ) ) , and , not Me but We , and practice all it's way , as , yes .....yes .....yes.....We can do it - We will do it , then only results are there , it's not an easy job , one and all have to sacrifice in so many ways for that ," Hi Punth Puro , .....Shuro Koik Dhyave " - Pir Shams ..................ya ali madad...........!

ICAB matters

Dear Mr Nanji;

Rules and regulations of ICAB, our constitution and Farmans.

I refer to your letter dated 25th March 2013. Can you please clarify the following and let me and the Jamat, have the following information;

1 The document you sent to me was created on 24th April 2010. The author is “Islessor”. This is immediately after the filing of the lawsuit against Nagib and Alnaz on 6th April 2010. Can you therefore please;

a. Let me know the reasons,

b. Let me know the full name of the actual author, location, and his/her position. who prepared this PDF document,

c. Let me know if there is any connection with the lawsuit

d. Confirm that before you sent this PDF to me, ICAB verified that it is an exact replica of the original, signed by Hazar Imam.

e. I trust you agree that my request to verify is reasonable, and critical because of the complaints and evidence you have received.

2 The ICAB rules are dated 13th December 2003, and refer to the 1986 constitution (preamble A). At that date, the latest constitution was 1998 not 1986.

a. Please confirm if this was an administrative or a typing oversight. If so, was this notified to Hazar Imam and or corrected since December 2003.

b. Please advise the date when these rules were prepared and approved by ICAB for submission to Hazar Imam.

i. And, were there any annotations by Hazar Imam.

ii. Were these read in all Jamat Khannas after December 2003

iii. They were not given to the Jamats. Please correct me if I am wrong.

iv. These rules and regulations are a farman, as defined by Hazar Imam. Please confirm

3 Under these rules, ICAB members can remove any member of their Board by a majority vote. (Under Clause 9.2).

a. Therefore for example

i. In your next meeting if 2/3rd of the members present were to vote to remove/suspend any Member, or even you, they can do so; and

1. They can without any reference to Hazar Imam. Please confirm

2. They without even informing Hazar Imam after the event. Please confirm

b. In these circumstance what is the process of appointing a new member and a Chairman ?

4 Hazar Imam has the sole authority to prescribe rules and regulations under the constitution.(Under Preamble B);

a. Please confirm that “all” rules and regulations under our constitution of ICAB have been prescribed by, and signed by Hazar Imam. Please confirm that this is also the same for the following. If not please clarify;

i. ITREBS

ii. National Councils

iii. ICABS

iv. NCABS

v. other constitutional Bodies and Boards

b. If all are not prescribed and signed by Hazar Imam, then please let me have a list of

i. those which have been prescribed and signed by Hazar Imam, and

ii. those which have been prescribed and signed by ICAB, NCABS, the relevant Boards and constitutional bodies.

c. Clause 14 gives authority to ICAB to prescribe/prepare and issue rules and procedures to give effect to the rules and regulations. There is no mention of informing or approval by Hazar imam.

i. ICAB does not need to inform or consult Hazar Imam under this clause. Please confirm.
ii. Please let me have copies of all the rules and regulations (procedures) ICAB has issued under clause 14, since1986

5 Did Hazar Imam prescribe and sign any other rules and regulations of ICAB before December 2003 ?. If so please provide copies. I assume none were prescribed and signed by Hazar Imam, after December 2003. Please confirm

6 Can you please confirm or clarify the following appointment process of ICAB Members .

a. 60 days before the end of term, ICAB (as a Board) submits to Hazar Imam;

i. The names of the present members and

ii. 4 names in order of preference, for each current member (2 of the names must be lawyers. The other 2 names must be respected senior members of the Jamat)

iii. Therefore

1. For 2 members who are lawyers. 8 names of other lawyers in order of preference are recommended and submitted by ICAB

2. For the other 4 members. 16 names of respected senior members of the Jamats are recommended by ICAB in order of preference

3. Is the above correct. If not, please clarify.

4. Please advise the process for the Chairman.

a. Are 4 names given for a new Chair

b. Are the 4 names given, include

i. 2 lawyers and

ii. 2 respected senior members of the Jamat.

5. Please advise the definition of a “senior & respected” member of the Jamat.

a. What is the ICAB process of requesting and selecting and or shortlisting the names,

b. Are the Jamat involved, and

c. who decides the order of preference.

b. Please also confirm or clarify the following regarding new appointees.

i. There is no mention of an end of term report to be presented to Hazar Imam. (Like by Councils ITREBS etc)

ii. There is no mention of any beginning of term or annual meetings of ICAB with Hazar Imam.

iii. Are new names sent to Hazar Imam via the Secretariat and or DJI.

7 ICAB under clause 3.2 has powers and duties to issue rules of procedure and practice directions for ICAB without any reference to Hazar Imam what so ever;

a. Can you please let me have copies of all the rules under this clause, and

b. confirm that these rules are not prescribed or signed by Hazar Imam

c. Confirm that all NCAB rules and procedures/regulations are prepared and approved by ICAB, without any reference to Hazar Imam and without the need for consulting NCABS and or The national Councils/Presidents

8 Under clause 8 of these rules dated December 2003;

a. all the retiring members are asked hand over the files and records to the new members appointed.

b. on the other, all the files and records are held and kept by the Chairman. “The Chairman shall be in charge of and responsible for the safe custody of all correspondence, files and records of the International Conciliation and Arbitration Board”

c. Please clarify the correct process which is followed in practice.

I trust you will agree that my requests, including feedback, is constructive, reasonable and this is what Hazar Imam wishes us all to do. (I refer you to farmans of Hazar Imam regarding the role and responsibilities of Murids and Leaders regarding our constitution)

I look forward to hearing from you at the earliest.

Kind regards. and Ya Ali Madad.

Mahebub

Homeless and helpless

Shocking but sadly true - How many more Cases and which countries ?

Quote

Thank you Layla. Farida arranged a cooker herself. What you have offered and what Farida did, shows your Love, for Hazar Imam, and for your brothers and sisters and for the ethics of our faith.

Hazar Imam says in Farmans “in serving the Jamat, you are serving your Imam” Therefore if anyone is disrespecting the Jamat, they are also disrespecting Hazar Imam. And if they disrespect Farmans, they are showing no respect for Hazar Imam, or for the Jamat.

What also touched me deeply is the generosity of Mohammed and Rubbina who offered their Microwave for Roshan & disabled mother. Mohammed and Rubina have very little, and are living in a Van in UK . Thank you both.

I am pleased to confirm President Mawji has arranged for UK Council to pay the deposit/advance rent for Mohammed and Rubbina. They are now looking for accommodation. Their Mukhi has also spoken to them, and offered support.

President has also assured me that Ismailies who are homeless, helpless or vulnerable will be given assistance and support by our institution. Therefore I hope, all Mukhis, Welfare Boards, and EPB will immediately be given new directions, not to say to any Ismaili , that there are no funds to help Ismailies who are homeless, helpless or vulnerable.
Mahebub

From: Rajani Layla [mailto:layla1936@gmail.com]

Sent: 24 March 2013 01:26
To: M Chatur. Farida Keshavjee
Subject: Re: Another Ismaili Disabled mother - No cooker and helpless ! What happened !

Dear Maheboob and Farida

In this case I am ready to help this lady and buy a cooker for her
Layla Rajani

On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:40 AM, M Chatur wrote:

Dear Farida

Thank you . I am also concerned why in your case our institution did not help a very poor family with a disabled mother to get second hand cooker in London. Knowing they were desperate. Knowing you are an ex Mukhiani.

We are right to be very concerned. Hazar Imam wishes us to give feed back, critique, and to seek and share. That should be embraced and welcomed by all Leaders. I hope you like others will not get told off, and marginalized.

There is no reason why in your case our institutions refused to help. Shiraz Kabani agreed they should. But then he did not bother to do anything about it otherwise Mohammed and Hima would not be sleeping in a small Van in UK ! We know there are budgets and resources. These are for the Jamat not Leaders ! Right Shiraz ?

Farida, they could if they really wanted to , and if they did what Hazar Imam is telling them to do. They are sadly not.

Maybe in your case down the line the committee were told to say there are no funds , when in fact there are. Maybe President or Vice President was not told or not told the truth. Like in the case of Mohammed and Rubbina. They need to investigate what happened, and those responsible must apologise or Resign.

The root cause is that the committees, the Jamat and even Mukhis are not aware and not informed. Even Farmans are not only not explained but they are told not to explain them. The Jamat is beginning to realise and is waking up.

Hazar Imam himself informed us in London GJ - but that famous sentence was deleted from the Farman, and sadly laughed off. Most Leaders and the Jamat did not realise. They believed the Leaders like Shafik Sachedina, Zauhar Meghji, Mahmood Poonja. Mohammed Keshavjee, and of course Azim Lakhani. They said Imam was thinking in French , and or tired, and or did not mean what Imam said and Azim said yo me it was in a different context - I asked him why choose to delete and not explain the context ? He had no answer - Right Azim ? Where are Imams annotations on that Farman ?

Hazar Imam gives all the funds back to our institutions to spend for the benefit of the Jamat and has given priority to the Jamat and especially for the poor, disabled, old and vulnerable ISMAILIES.

Azim Lakhani has been controlling substantial GJ budgets given for the Jamats. He should understand, because he has a disabled daughter, but sadly he too is only interested in himself, his family and his inner circle of Top and very rich Leaders. Right Azim ?

Our (the Jamats) total institutional-constitutional budgets run into billions of Pounds. The UK Jurisdiction Jamats budgets, and assets of all our constitutional bodies and companies runs into over many hundreds of millions of pounds (excluding the kings cross development at about £500 million!.

And yet, they don't want to give even £200 as a loan to that Ismaili family woth a fisabled mother, to buy a second hand cooker to cook food for them? How shameful! This is equivalent to a dinner for them. I hope President, and Mukhi's will not allow this to happen to other Ismaili Families in the future.

All Mukhis, Kamadias, Warzeens, IIS , ITREBS, and Jamat must be given the following. Hazar Imam wishes us to have and to know. Read the attached if you have any doubts.

1 The local budgets

2 The National budgets

3 The Global budgets

4 All the full Farmans with the Imams annotations

5 The full constitution and all the related rules and Farmans

6 All the Ginans, qaseedas , and all material available on them globally

7 All material books and information on all our rites & practices, available and hidden or blocked and not shared.

8 Annual and tri- annual national reports and budgets, prepared and submitted to DJI for the Jamats.

Everyone needs to reflect and also read the attached reasons and Farmans. Then they must take the next important step , and do what Imam says not what the Leaders concerned are saying.

Hazar Imam wishes us all to share and to seek and to also expect information and support from our institutions, including accountability, humility, transparency, answerably competence and generosity. Where is any of this ?

Leaders from the very top to the bottom need to share and implement the Famans and wishes of Hazar. Especially to support our brothers and sisters who are very poor, homeless, helpless, very old, handicapped and or vulnerable.

Thank you again for sharing, caring and offering to help. Let us all ask ourselves, have I done what Hazar Imam has asked me to do ? and if not , from now I will do what Imam has asked me to do- (from a Farman).

Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub

From: Farida Keshavjee [mailto:faridakaye@hotmail.co.uk]

Sent: 22 March 2013 13:15
To: Mahebub Chatur; Amawji@uk.ey.com; Vice President Alwaez Shiraz Kabani; 'Liakat Hasham'; Zul Hassam; Zulfikar Hassam; Noordin Nanji Chairman ICAB; Salima Bhatia; Nazmin Kassam Chairman NCAB UK; Qahir Manji; Vazir Azim Lakhani EX Chair LIF; Mohammed Keshavjee
Cc: 'Mukhi Salim Janmohamed'; firozachatur@hotmail.com; 'Rubbina Shaheen'; 'Aniza meghani'; mohamood.jumani@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: RE: Will you HELP ? RE: Homeless Ismaili couple living in a small van UK

Dear Mahebub

Thank you for copying this email and feel sad for the plight Mahmood and Rubina are experiencing today.

I would also like to mention that recently I was involved in a case whereby an Ismaili family (with a disabled mother) needed help of £200 to purchase a cooker. I approached a member of the AKSWB (Social and Welfare Board), and was told that they do not have any funds and that I should approach an Umedwar! Needless to say that I was very disappointed by this response and feel that for such an enlightened Community we don't really help people financially who have fallen on hard times!

If I can be of any assistance please let me know.
Farida

Unbeleivable conduct which

Unbeleivable conduct which will cause disaffection in the community, and will damage the prestige of the name of the Aga Khan, the community and the International Conciliation and Arbitration Board;

Letter from ICAB - Noordin

Letter from ICAB - Noordin Nanji with my response and futher requests..

From: Mahebub Chatur [mailto:mahebubchatur@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 March 2013 08:08
To: Noordin Nanji
Cc: M Chatur; Azim Lakhani; Mohammed Keshavjee; Abby Jan Dharamsey; Shafik SACHEDINA; Nazmin Kassam; Amin Mawji; Shiraz Kabani; Mukhi Salim Janmohamed; Salima Bhatia; Qahir Manji; Nagib Tajdin; Gafoor; Alnaz Jiwa; Mansoorali Noorani; Zinat Khan; Firoza Chatur IP 4 Uk; Aniza Meghani; Farhad Daftary; Sheni Dossa Chair NCAB Canada; cfc@talib.ca
Subject: Re: Appeal against Shafik Sachedina, A Dharamsey, M Keshavjee and A Lakhani Questions

Thank you.

Are you able to tell me when is the next ICAB Board meeting and or, will my Leave to appeal and my requests for information be addressed by, you personally, and or an ICAB core executive committee, and or ICAB administrative officers - EO.

I want to understand the process.

Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub

On 21 Mar 2013, at 00:58,

On 21 Mar 2013, at 00:58, Noordin Nanji wrote:

Dear Mr. Chatur,

Ya Ali Madad

I am in receipt of your several emails. I am currently travelling through the end of the month, but will respond thereafter as promptly as possible.

Yours Truly,

Noordin Nanji
Chairman, ICAB

(May Allah's Peace, Mercy

(May Allah's Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon all of you)

Prophet Muhammad (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said, “The signs of a hypocrite are three:
when he speaks he lies,
when he promises he breaks it, and when entrusted he betrays his trust.”

Therefore, one must be careful not to make promises casually or to make promises that one has no intention to keep. Allah Most High mentions in the Quran the story of the man who lied and broke his promise and the recompense of such people:

“Of them, there is one who promised Allah, ‘If He bestows of His generosity on us, we shall certainly give charity and be of the righteous.’ But when He gave to them of His generosity, they hoarded it and turned away in aversion. So He punished them by putting hypocrisy into their hearts until the day they meet Him, because they broke their promise to Allah and lied.” [9:75-77]

Imam Suyuti says that the person referred to above is Thalaba ibn Hatib, who asked the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) to pray that Allah would enrich him, so that he might give everyone their just due. So the Prophet supplicated for him and he became wealthy, but then he stopped coming to the Friday prayer, withdrew from the community, and refused to pay zakat.

Some time after this, Thalaba brought the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) his zakat, but the Prophet told him, “Allah forbids me to accept it from you,” at which Thalaba threw handfuls of dust upon his head. In the time of Abu Bakr’s khilafat he took his zakat to Abu Bakr (radhi Allahu anhu), but he would not accept it. Then to Umar (radhi Allahu anhu), but he would not accept it either. Then he took it to Uthman (radhi Allahu anhu), but he would not accept it, and he died in the khilafat of Uthman. [Reliance of the Traveller by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri]

Homeless and helpless

Where are the Golden Jubilee Goals ? Where are all the funds to help homeless and poor Ismailies ? Read this email and Reply.

On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:32, Rubbina Shaheen wrote:
Dear Presidendsaheb
Ya Ali Madad
You probably have been informed by Sikander Somani about my situation. I think from our conversation,some months back, your out look was I should pack it all up and the various departments will see us through.

The answer is there is NO GOVERNMENT dept will help us as we are not VULNERABLE Since the 11th February 2013 we have been HOMELESS and the local housing dept has no obligation to house us.

I am writing to you because I am thinkiking of asking approx 300 ISMAILIS, if they can come up with £500.00 and payable with interest on a monthly basis. The IDEA may seem silly but I want to see if this is possible as well as see which angels can come up with the sum.I REPEAT I AM NOT LOOKING FOR FREE HAND OUTS.

I also am again saying WHY THE INSTITUTIONS CANNOT HELP. Now I am being asked who is your COMMUNITY
AND WHERE ARE THEY. WHAT AM I TO ANSWER. I HAVE WRITTEN TO A COUPLE OF NEWSPAPERS AND AWAITING THEIR REPLIES.

My question now stands WHERE ARE OUR INSTITUTIONS AND WHAT HELP HAVE THEY GIVEN.WHAT ARE THE AIMS AND OBJECTIVES OF EVERYONE IN EVERY COMMITTEE ?? AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF MUKHI/KAMADIA.
Today I feel that as AN ISMAILI WHERE IS THE COMMUNITY. At the end of the day it is the SOUL that matters. The body gets its RESPECT? in any RELIGION. So what is it about ISMAILISM when NO INSTITUTION CAN HELP.What is the purpose of paying respect to the dead body when in person nobody was there for help.

THIS IS HOW I FEEL THERE IS NOBODY TO HELP IT IS JUST TALK TALK.

We are still homeless and if you feel that time permitting to yourself I would be delighted to gain your views.
Regards
Mohamed hami
cc Vazir Dr Shafiq Sachedina
Mehboob Chattur

REPLY

Thank you. Can you please let us know your position in more detail. Please feel free to call me or my wife.

Our institutions have budgets, Boards and committees. Ismailies who are poor and homeless are a priority for our Institutions to assist with now full time paid staff. Hazar Imam has said Murids must not be passed from one board to another and frustrate those in need.

I discussed this with our Vice President recently and he assured me there are committees and Boards in UK , with budgets to help those especially very poor and homeless.

Where our institutions don't want to or cannot help , we as Ismailis should get together and help each other. Are the Local Mukhi Shahebs aware of your situation?

Frankly I am shocked to learn that in UK our institutions are not helping a homeless Ismaili, knowing you are homeless since 11 February ? And you have been in contact with our institutions well before that ?

By a copy to our Leaders I am asking them to let me know.
Ya Ali Madad
Mahebub Chatur

Working together brings

Working together brings happiness and peace.

Peace is necessary
Peace is just
Peace is possible

Peace is a dialogue
Peace is a willingness
Peace is a choice

Peace is prosperity
peace is the right path
peace is the way forward

Let us all work together for Peace.

Navroz Mubarak

letter to our Leadership "

letter to our Leadership " Subject: Will you HELP ? RE: Helpless and homeless Ismaili

I have just spoken to Mohammed Hami and his wife. They are homeless and living in their small Nissan Van in Shrewsbury UK. You and EPB know. Where is our one stop UK committee Shiraz Kabani told me about ?

Today is Navroz. They went to a food bank to try to get some food for themselves. Where are our Mukhi/Nandi to help and support them.

Rubina has a part time job earning £117 pw in Shrewsbury. What they need today is help with food and to get accommodation. They have appealed to the Local Authority.

Will our institutions get them accommodation Deposit and advance rent. The rent is about £550 pm. After this they will get some benefits and they can manage , hand to mouth. Their JK is Birmingham and the Mukhi Kamadia there has not even called them.

If you cannot and don’t want to help them as an Institution with £1500. Then please let me know urgently. I will then try to help them with other Ismailies who want to help this helpless and an ISMAILI homeless couple.

Mohammed tells me he has in the past given seva to the Jamat in Birmingham including Bait ul Ilm.

Today is Navroz. How much money are our UK institutions spending for social, events, food and dinners, in UK and Europe. Not taking account of the GJ Goals , funding, and budgets and funding for the poor and homeless.

Mahebub Chatur

@Mahebub Chatur re: March 21 (Letter to our...)

786
Good job, Mahebub bhai. I hope with all my heart you (and other Ismailis) can help alleviate the stress, worry, predicament, and awful circustances of these mureeds. All the very best.
Ya Aly madad.

@Alumni re: March 20th

786
Alumni bhai (?) (fem. would be Alumna), can you please clarify who is the author of the letter to the President Saheb? Is it Rubbina Shaheen (first and last names?) or Mohamed Hami?

What a difficult situation for the person(s) involved...Mowla rahèm karè.

Mohammed and Rubbina Hami

Mohammed and Rubbina Hami are husband and wife.

misuse of funds

Mr. moderator on march 19, 2013 i wrote about MISUSE OF FUNDS for NAVROZ 2013 , which you choose not to publish, after reading this post about this ismaili do you still think MY POST WAS NOT WORTH IT.

YA ALI MADAD
NAVROZ MUBARAK

We can not a value on Faith

We can not a value on Faith or Networking or Brotherhood or Sewa.

Legal Notice given to M/K saheb - Agakhan Baag J/K - Mumbai

Dear All - Ya Ali Madad , With NAV ROZ MUBARAK , to ALL ,
Here is the copy of legal notice sent to m/k saheb of Agakhan Baag j/k , versova , Mumbai , for information and consideration of readers of this site , ..
M.A. NOORANI ,
B. Sc., LL. B. Advocate ,
604 , Poonam Chs Ltd , Bldg No. 10 ,
Near Shagun Hotel , Shanti Park ,
Mira Road - East , Dist : Thane ,
Maharashtra ,
Date : 18 /03 / 2013
Legal Notice
( by regd. post )

From : Nooruddin Jaffer Lakhani ,
residing at C/B/11,
Agakhan Baag ,
Yari Road , Versova ,
Andheri West Mumbai 4ooo61

To ,
Respected Mukhi saheb and Kamdia saheb ,

His Highness Prince Agakhan Shia Imami Ismaili Khoja Jamatkhana ,

Agakhan Baag , Yaari Road , Versova , Mumbai ,

Subject : Regarding Cacellation of the Marraige Ceremony , by You , on Last Moment , of Daughter of my on neaerst relative , which was Religiously to be Performed by You , in Agakhan Baag jamatkhana , Yari road , Versova , Mumbai , which marriage was fixed with prior consultation with you well in advance , and whose marriage invitation cards were also already distributed amongst Ismaili and Non Ismaili Relatives , Friends Acquainteds of Ours , as well as , Ismaili and Non Ismaili Relatives , Friends and Acquainteds of Bridegroom side , including , Invitation with Invitation to You also ,

Respected Sirs ,

Ya Ali Madad ,

I , Mr. Nooruddin Jaffer Lakhani , address as above , do hereby require to give you , this legal notice , that ,

(1) For the purpose of marriage of , one Bride Nisha , age ____, D/O Mr. Ramjanali Shahbuddin Lakhani , residing at , 8/a/10 , Agakhan Baag , Yari Road , Versova , Mumbai , with one Bride groom Nadil , age 28 years , S/O Mr. Abdul E. Samnani , residing at , h/b/6, Agakhan Baag , Yari Road , Versova , Mumbai , the relatives , including me had contacted you , consulted with you , well in advance , at least before one week , and , informed you to fix the day and time etc. for the said marriage to be performed in Agakhan Baag Jamatkhana , and after due consultation with you , the day was fixed as , 17/03/2013 , Sunday , and , Time Fixed was 5 pm .

(2) the said bride , being daughter of my maternal nephew , i was and am , also part of arrangements for said marriage .

(3) You were also informed that MUDA ceremony of both these , i.e.Bride and Bride groom was also performed , here in this , Agakhan Baag Jamatkhana only , before about 3 years .

(4) So necessary due preparations for said marriage , from both the sides , i.e.Bride and Bride groom , were completed , and , Invitation Cards also were distributed to their Ismaili and Non Ismaili Relatives , Friends and Acquainteds , and you both being Heads of Jamat , were also cordially invited through such marriage invitaton cards , well in advance .

(5) In the circumstances above , when , the fixed time of said marriage was near , on 17/03 /2013 , Sunday , near by afternoon , and , before fixed time of marriage , when , the Bride and the Bride groom , amongst , their Ismaili Relatives , Friends and Acquainteds , came at the Jamatkhana , you suddenly , on last moment , denied to perform said marriage ceremony , and , on asking , as to why ? , you were not giving any reason/s , for cancellation , of said marriage ceremony by you , and , all requests to you by any of us , had been responded , as to be , of no use , and , ultimately , said marriage ceremony was cancellaed on spot , by you both , to be performed , which is part of your Religious Duties to Jamats , including us , and , that also of no reason/s , on our side , which gave deep shock/s to all concerned , including bride , bridegroom and my self also .

(6) in creation of such difficult situations , for all of us , by you , without any reason on our side , we were all put in such a trgedical situations , that , we were unable to understand , as to what to do now ? time was getting over soon , and , non ismailis were also invited to reception , along with ismailis , after marriage ceremony , so , we had no alternate to but to complete at least , the reception ceremony of bride and bridegroom , as fixed , at place fixed , still , as the cancellation of sid marriage had come to knowledges of so many there , it had become a matter of discussion amongst all present there , which spread over out side everywhere , which has not only damaged reputation of all concerned of us , including bride , bridegroom and me .

(7) so you are here by given this legal notice , to provide me soon , at least within 10 days , to me , the reason , as to why you both , did not perform , the said marriage ceremony and why cancelled to be performed , and have my receipt there of , other wise , it will mean that you are compelling to take necessary legal actions , in the matter against you both , as well as , all concerned responsible for this , and , all responsibilities arising will be of you and responsible with you only .

your
sincierly

sd/-
--------------------------------------------
Through Me ( Mr. Nuruddin Jaffer Lakhani )

sd/-
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M. A. Noorani ,
Advocate .

@Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani re: March19th (Legal Notice...)

786
This seems almost unbelievable...So dreadful...

Legal Notice...........Mumbai

Absolutely disgusting, Mansooralibhai.........

This is called being marginalised.................

I wish you success.............

Letter to Leadership sent

Letter to Leadership sent today

" This Mukhi and Kamadia ruined one of the happiest day in the lives of these families. They did not bless the marriage. They hurting their feelings. They embarrassed them, and the Jamat They insulted and disrespected Imams Farmans. How can they then sit in Jamat Khanna and give Dua, and say “Khanavadan”, and they give blessings for Mushil Asaan, Haki Kati Samaj and Sukkh Salamat abad…. (Mukhis need to read following Farman and What Hazar Imam says in the constitution below) May be this Mukhi and Kamadia do not know and are blindly doing what they were told.?

In India there are 4 court cases so far against our institutions including NCAB and ITREB. Leaders are refusing to resolve the concerns. As you know NCAB India Chairman threatened Mr Noorani. Cases in India can be dragged on for 15 years. Newspapers in India are full of stories of corruption in courts. This is changing quite quickly

Leaders in the inner circle and with multi positions, have been promoting a culture of secrecy ans autocracy. They have managed to have and control the key positions. They control the communication and Farmans. They have and control the money, and the “political” connections. They have the best lawyers.

Therefore they have become so arrogant and blatantly say they can continue (with impunity), without being answeable or acountable to the Jamat. leaders down the line have only now begun to realise the truth

Am I right;

1 If not why would they refuse to meet Nagib and Alnaz, or in India, or others who have filed complaints.

2 If not why not follow Farmans and give the full constitution.

3 If not why not publish the book of Farmans they say Hazar Imam has authoried and will be published soon. This was in the LIF announcement 3 years ago.

4 If not why not give Farmans and the constitution. And why not give Farmans and explain them.

Shocking and shameful They

Shocking and shameful

They reprsent the Imam ! but they are misrepreseting the Imam - we must not just wish our brothers nd sisters success but we must do somethting to help them, and do all we can to make sure these Leaders apologise and as Imam says correct the wrong and hurt they have done to their own Jamat and our cimmunity. How can they sit at the Paat the next day !

Read below what is the role of Mukhi and Kamadia - Everyeveny they give dua and say let us all pray that Mawla gives us the inpiration and strenght to serve the Jamat, Haki kati Samaj Mushkil Asaan - Is this the way to serve the Imam, Is this helping the Jamat and is this haki kati Samaj and adding to mushkil rather than reducing the Mushkil of the Jamat.

@ My Common Reply to Recent Posts ...!

Dear All on Recent Comments Here , Ya Ali Madad ,

Question asked here is simle by Dear Mr. Gafoor , that ,

" i have a question. If a leader is appointed by our Imam to serve the Jamat and the Imam and the appointed leader is not serving the Jamat fairly and is protected by other leaders, does the jamat have a right to remove the leader from their office? As CAB UK and ICAB have said that they do not have jurisdiction on some of these leaders as they are above the constitution. So what rights do the Jamat have in these issues? "

and , i have replied my opinion - simply , that , no member of jamats has any right any where , to remove any appointed by MHI ....! , so let me know first , that , what wrong i have written ? ,
.......offence - moral turpitude etc are not part of the question , what wrong in appointments is being done any level is different thing , rights with boards members to remove any appointed has got different reasons - back grounds , it is not rights with jamats ,
so , i want only to know , whether jamats - any jamati members has any constitutional right to remove any appointed by MHI , if he / she is not working fairly , and ,if protected by other leaders ? ,
i hope some body comes with clear reply , on said issue ! ,

@ My Common Reply to Recent Posts ...!

As I said in my earlier post lets get down to the core of the problem, for example I have said lets get them excommunicate or removed, and you keep on missing the point How will you get your point across, whether appointed by MHI or any other leader, if the person is of concern how will you let the higher authority know that the problem exists. Just give me a suggestion. HOW WILL YOU SAVE AN IMPRISONED PRINCESS if a hungry lion is at the gate?????????? If I have no right to fire someone atleast I have the right to complain, or take my tasbhi and start chanting YA ALI YA ALI.

Can u please tell me If as a MUSLIM ISMAILI (as Islam as foundation and CORE) gives you and me and all Muslims to rise against all or any injustice, prejudice and PERMISSION even go to war TO FREELY practice your faith, how come we ar talking about NO RIGHT TO THIS NO RIGHT FOR THAT. There are only 2 reasons for this misunderstanding:

1) Either the CONSTITUTTION HAS BIG FLAWS AND LOOPHOLES.
2) We have been brain washed not to look in that direction (or you will turn to stone) or simply we do not want to UNDERSTAND the MISUNDERSTANDING we are facing today.

YA ALI MADAD.

The problem is not with the Constitution

The problem is not with the Constitution, it is with people who are supposed to protect it but instead who do a mockery of the Ismaili Institution, that includes ICAB.

On March 19th, 2013 librarian-umed says:

UMED I know that and completely and whole heartedly believe so and agree with your defination. but my problem is why are we still not trying hard enough to get out of this CACOON of make beliefs. When will we start comparing apples with apples.

ya ali madad

If Hazar Imam appoints a

If Hazar Imam appoints a Leader and says that the Leader can be removed only by Hazar Imam, then only Hazar Imam can remove that Leader.

If Hazar Imam asks Leaders to recommend a leader who Hazar Imam accepts, and Hazar Imam then tells them that the leader can be removed by them by for example a vote of 2/3rd majority of that Board. Then the Leaders can remove him , and they must follow what Hazar Imam has said and Imams Farmans.

What Hazar Imam has said in Farmans which includes our constitution must be respected and followed by them and the Jamat.

On March 18th, 2013 Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani (not verified)

Ya ali madad Mansoor bhai: I keep reading and every time this word " RIGHT/S " all i hear is as ismailies we do not have the right of this or that, My question is very simple WHAT RIGHT DO WE HAVE AS AN ISMAILI ???????????

We have no RIGHT to MHI firmans we can only have what the big boys think we should have, we have no right to a printed copy of the firmans by the so called ITREB, it is their job to furnish us the materials which they do not do. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING.

We do not have the right to question the leaders because they are hand picked or appointed by MHI, are you saying they are infallible? just because they have been SELECTED and not ELECTED gives them IMMUNITY. What does the constitution say about selection process NO BANKRUPT, NO CONVICTION, who is checking backgrounds, I see many people holding positions or working with leadership and getting selected inspite of their conviction and bankruptcy. and further more people with moral issues like running away with young girls while still in leadership, I still see them on the front line. and you suggest we have NO SAYS. I have seen the system of NANDI turning into a commercial venture with my very own eyes within the last 10 years by our so called selected leaders. FOR GOD'S SAKE GIVE ME A BREAK.

Because of this kind of stupid mentality that has been PLANTED in us by our missionaries and leaders, you are suggesting we are ROBOTS. Please explain is this a religion we are talking about or an ENTERPRISE.

Here are some suggestions and what I think is wrong is the MENTAL ATTITUDE, when there is a concern or an incident we talk about, all we do is mix the CORE of the problem with a lot of issues and lose the debate. What we have to do is to take the issue with merits but people here confuse things here with different angles and mostly spiritual angles which has got nothing to do with that problem. We should learn to STRIP the problem to it core heart and then try to think and ponder on it, instead all we do is confuse it even more.

Relegious concern should be handled with relegious mentality, administrative problem with the law and COMMON SENSE, but now here you are suggesting WE HAVE NO RIGHTS. Has any one in here ever suggested MHI is WRONG or he made a MISTAKE, NO NO NO and NO, just because we are ismailies we should act like those 3 monkeys, one with eyes closed the other with his ears and the third one sealing his lips. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS THE BIGGEST SEVA TO THE COMMUNITY.

A very personal question i want to ask how do you treat a beggar in the street, and how will you treat the beggar if he is an Ismaili, differently of course right. But that process of differentiating you are missing the most common point that they are both NEEDY, HUNGRY OR HOMELESS and you favoring one to another would be a disaster, not moral not according to the teaching of ISLAM.

ya ali madad

The Jamat can not remove the Appointees

The Jamat can not remove the leader but the institutions, through their members, can vote and throw out a member at the majority vote. So LIF can dismiss SS for example and if Nanji does not respect his oath of office, the other ICAB members can vote him out of his position. This is what has been allowed by the Imam according to my reading of that article 36.

Practically you can understand that this does not happen. And it is wrong not to apply the provisions of the Constitution for personal reasons.

Mukhis and Kamadias must

Mukhis and Kamadias must have all Farmans. If not how can they fullfill this Farman
“ Mukhis and Kamadias represent the Imam of the time. They represent the Imam in the Jamat Khanna, and if they represent the Imam then it is their responsibility to see that the Imams Farmans are fulfilled by the Jamat, and to explain these Farmans to the Jamat. I have made this Farman about unity in the Jamat, and I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to ensure and to do everything possible that there is unity in my Jamat. I have made Farmans about cooperation. Cooperation between local institution and central institutions, I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to do everything possible to see that up country institutions coordinate properly with the central institutions. I have made Farmans about attendance in Jamat Khanna, I would like my Mukhis and Kamadias to ensure that the Jamat is regular in its prayers and attendance in Jamat Khanna. These are the matters where My Mukhis and Kamadias who are representing the Imam, must ensure that the Jamat responds, and understands the reasons for which these Farmans have been made” 9 January 1978

How can they explain and how can the Jamat understand let alone fulfill farmans when they do not have and are not given the Farmans.? Do this also not mean that Imam wishes them all to have all Farmans ?

On March 18th, 2013 salim (not verified) says

Very well said Salim.

But there is a big difference what you say and expects from the MUKHIs and KAMARIAS from what mukhis and kamarias were few decades ago. The core meaning of their authority has been changed by the appointed leadership. Now in todays term if you look the authority of mukhis are like CHIEF OPERATING MANAGERS and they cannot interpret and implement the firmans of MHI in spite being the MHI right hand. Now let me tell you what their functions are: who ever the ITREB send to JK for a lecture, whether that lecture any material or the rituals and rites and ceremonies which is morally or ISLAMICALLY wrong, whether right words in the ginan is used or not whether the duas is said right or wrong they cannot or have no right to stop it even though the inner senses of theirs agree it is wrong.

Now today if you pose a question like (why did we dropped SALAWAT FOR RUHANI SALVATION suggest by Imam Sultan Mohammed Shah still today being recited in his fiman on chandrat to ASTAGAFHIR ULLAH RABI WA TUBU ILLAHI which means you are asking salvation for yourself and noT the RUHANIES ) to your Mukhi saheb the reply would be let me consult with the council or itreb,AND YOU WILL NEVER GET YOUR ANSWER. Today's function of the mukhi saheb is to have a switch to control the lighting in the JK have a thermostat under their pat to control the temprature, I am not making it up it is a fact in 2013. I challenge you, take a wara for let say you wanna say the DUA and you can use as many words that are not in the dua and no one will challenge you not mukhi or itreb or the council, why,
because all we have are few dumb or unqualified (WHO LOVES THE LIMELIGHT) yes men or _ _ _ kissers selected for the job and are thrown on us as MHI's selections, so no question please you have no rights. Lets us all think A MAN WHO IS RUNNING AN IMAMAT WITH HIS HUMANLY WELL EDUCATED INTELLECT AND ON TOP OF, THE DIVINE INTELLECT " WA QUL HU ASAINA ASAINA FI IMAM-E-MUBIN " would appoint people like we are today being suggested??????????????

Even those individuals when they are hiring or selecting individuals for their personal business perform a background check, qualifications, past experiences, convictions or criminal records etc. and then offer the job to thos who would accept pays 25% less than the market rate and if it is wintertime and you are sitting idle in the office send you to thier home to remove snow from thier driveway, so when they come home they can have a fresh untired wife waiting for them.

YA ALI MADAD

Our Constitutional Companies

I see many more are interested to know and understand. I wrote the following letter. I have not received the information or a reply. I reminded them, and this is a part of the many reasons I filed a complaint, which is presently with ICAB.

Sent: 16 June 2012 10:52 To: Vazir Shafik Sachedina; Vazir Dr Azim Lakhani Chairman LIF; UK President Amin Mawji OBE ; Amyn Kassim-Lakha Global Head of Councils & ITREBS; Sadru Datoo - Global head of Budgets and finances ; Shiraz Kabani Vice President UK and IIS; Farhad Daftary IIS ; Vazir E Rupani LIF EO, and DJI-IIS.

Subject: AKDN - structure, companies, institutions and information

I am trying to understand the structure, agencies and companies within “our” institutions and or under "our" constitution, which are for, and for the benefit of, the Jamat. I have researched and obtained some information from the internet and websites including AKDN.

Can you please share the following with me;

1 Where does IIS fit into the AKDN structure and please share copies of the annual reports from 2007 to date. (see attached where IIS is not specifically mentioned – Presumably under AKF)

2 The annual reports for AKF – Some of the consolidated AKF reports up to 2006 are on the AKDN website (attached). Can you please therefore also share with me the following specifically.

a. copies of the annual consolidated reports from 2007 to 2011 (and 2012 if available). If these do not include the figures for Micro finance and Trust & culture, then please share copies of those with me.
b. How many of the 80,000 staff are Ismaili (by country). I am assume this figure of 80, 000 is current and for all the AKDN, Not for Profit agencies ?
c. The numbers of Ismailies volunteers and or man hours (excluding TKN), and also the TKN hours used (total and by country)
d. The numbers of Ismailies who have benefited in total from AKDN-AKF (including Micro Finance and Trust/Culture)
i. Directly by country
ii. Indirectly by country

3 Similar to AKF annual reports , can you please share the consolidated annual reports for AKDN. (I appreciate that some selected individual agencies reports are on the AKDN website.

4 Similarly for AKFED. I note 63 companies are mentioned in total in the attached. In the attached AKFED brochure there are 79 companies. The total staff is stated as about 35000 + in the AKDN fact sheet (attached). Above over 80,000 staff.

a. Please let me have the latest number of staff and the same information as above (2, b, c & d)
b. list of all the present companies country wise as in the AKFED report for 2006 (attached)
c. A list of the senior management and directors of each of the companies

If you are passing this to anyone to provide the information please let me know or If you want me to approach anyone else please let me know too.

As you know I am waiting for the missing parts of our constitution, and or related confirmation. Can you please respond and let me know.

I look forward to hearing from you and assume all Presidents and members of LIF have the information and copies I have requested.

If as a member of the Jamat, I am not entitled to any of the information I am seeking, then can you please let me know and share the related reasons/documents/farmans with me.

Kind regards and Ya Ali madad

Mahebub Chatur

Reminder and Clarification

I have sent the following reminder to our Leaders today, including ICAB and NCAB UK.

Quote

" I have still not received a response. This is a part of the reasons, & evidence in my complaints. Can you also clarify that the “Ismaili Imamat” is a formal and or, our constitutional institution ordained by Hazar Imam, and, which is distinct and separate from Hazar Imam as Imam e Zaman, or personally.

Therefore for example, the agreements with Alberta, in October 2012, (by Firoz Rasul), and Mali, (by Shafik Sachedina), were signed on behalf of the “Ismaili Imamat” as an Institution. They and others therefore have delegated authority to sign documents on behalf of the “Ismaili Imamat” (as distinct from signing on behalf of Hazar Imam personally, or as Imam)

Can you also let us know the Board and executive committee members of this institution. I assume this is the Apex - highest body - Institution, under and within our constitution and it institutional structures.

The constitution is of the Jamat and for the Jamat. The full constitution, and all the changes, including related Farmans and reports must be given to all Leaders and all members of the Jamat. If that is not correct please let me know and let me have the relevant and related Farmans and the constitutional documents.

Kind regards and Ya Ali madad

Mahebub Chatur"

On March 18th, 2013 M Chatur (not verified) says:

Ya ali madad:

In the oath that is being taken by the leaders and volunteers, it is asked by the oath taker to perform according to the constittution, when on the other hand, no one has been given a copy of the constitution prior of taking the oath. No one know what is our constitution is or even seen it,It have become a norm like privacy policy nobody reads on the internet or facebook or twitter, just click on the I ACCEPT BUTTON.

This is another malicious and ill intent on the part of our appointed leadership being sweept under the rugs.

YA ALI MADAD

Mr Mansoorali The following

Mr Mansoorali

The following will also help you to know and understand; Hazar Imam wants the Jamat to seek and understand how AKDN and  “our” institutions are directly benefiting the Jamat, and what  opportunities have been created in the many  countries, and how they are countries of opportunity for the Jamat.  
 “… SEEK from “YOUR ” institutions competence, effectiveness, answerability, forethought, these are the qualities that you should be seeking in “YOUR” institutions, but not perfection.. …” November 15, 1992.

The primary reason and role for AKDN   “..…. in deciding to let this network come into place …   I wish to share … First, any area of activity has to benefit the Jamat Immediately, or in the readily foreseeable future. If we had existing institutions already in place, any new initiative has to compliment them. Such activities have to be  have a recognisable, beneficial national impact. “  11 July 2007

Why is Imam telling this to the Jamat ? So that if the Leaders are not doing what Imam is telling them then other Leaders and the Jamat must ask and if necessary ask them to resign or vote them out of the Boards.

Question - Changing leaders

Question and Answer as Received. - Do you agree ?

Question
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM, gafoor:
I have a question. If a leader is appointed by our Imam to serve the Jamat and the Imam and the appointed leader is not serving the Jamat fairly and is protected by other leaders, does the jamat have a right to remove the leader from their office? As CAB UK and ICAB have said that they do not have jurisdiction on some of these leaders as they are above the constitution. So what rights do the Jamat have in these issues?

Answer

Good question Gafoor. Yes, the Jamat can remove such Leaders. Let me explain.
The reason they have not, is because the Jamat do not know. The reason they do not know, is because the related information, Farmans , speeches, and the full constitution are selectively blocked and changed. We also know the Jamat are misinformed ( for example the 2 LIF announcements and What Hazar Imam said in the GJ London Farman )
The Jamat are supposed to, and do recommend who should be appointed. But the process has been changed by the few, to a pyramid type of control and command process. This is closely managed with an iron fist. Transparency and consensus is not followed to the letter or the spirit. Especially, when it comes to the key positions.
Sadly and gradually the very system has been taken over and perfected to a fine art by the same "inner circle" They collectively exercise absolute and effective control of the key and strategic positions including the 100 plus of the “Jamats” constitutional companies, funds, & AKDN . Who appoints them ? . The inner circle, & especially the key positions.
The gross assets today, excluding Hazar Imam's personal assets and funds are over $10 billion. Did you not know? If Shafik Sachedina and his inner circle had not filed the lawsuit , and if not for the internet and Nagib Tajdin, the Jamat would not have known. We know Nagib has been selflessly seriving the Jamat since 1992.
Who do you think wanted us to know. Why did Hazar Imam not say I am the plaintiff , but gave directions for 30 minutes on 15th Oct 2010? You need to reflect and then do what Imam is asking you to do.
Those who are recommended by the inner circle are those who are from their inner circle and who are proverbially the “yes” circle and focused on sharing the proverbial booty (strategic positions, budgets and benefits/gains).
Hence the musical chairs and the multi appointments, multi interests and multi positions. Plus of course the secrecy and special project appointments and those budgets. The appointment process and even then names of all those serving in the Jamats 100 plus companies, is not shared with the Jamat nor are all the financial reports. In most countries you cannot even get contact details of your own leaders. as you know. We do not get a report to say how many Ismailies, how many of the inner circle and how many non Ismailies are benefiting every year from the billions being spent by the Jamats Institutions and companies.
Like many others in the “inner circle”, Shafik Sachedina for example has 16 multi- positions with multi interests. He says he is also heading DJI, DDA and “Imamat" which is an Institution of the Jamat and for and for the benefit of the Jamat , (not to be confused with Hazar Imam as "Imam" or "personally")
Sachedina and others sign on behalf of the "Ismaili Imamat” (The constitutional Institution). They hide the true and complete constitutional companies, boards, core committees, funds and related structure in order to confuse and block the Jamat and others.
When we are told by them that Hazar Imam has appointed some of the Leaders's under our constitution, we are told to take their word for it. We are told only Hazar Inam can remove them. Not correcrt complete or true.

Hazar Imam has told us to seek and verify what we are told. Hazar Imam said for example that the leaders are not telling you what Imam is telling them to tell you. To seek competence accountability and answerability. Why does Imam say this If Imam does not want the Jamat to do so? You must reflect carefully on this.

What happens today in the appointments process generally? The Jamat locally and nationally recommends a few names. They go to your the President. He has the right to change and or add more names and what he goes is secretive and does not share except with the select few. The right of the Jamat has been replaced at this stage of the process. Then the President discusses them informally with DJI - Shafik Sachedina who gets involved with Huzur who are appointed for Life. The inner circle takes over informally and they decide behind the scenes. There is no transparency.
When the top National Leaders meet Hazar Imam every 3 years, for the End of term meeting. Shafik Sachedina and the core inner circle are present and anyone who does not toe the line is quickly spoken to, or excluded from the inner circle immediately or marginalized. They have been previously tested, before they are included in the first place.

The yearly appointments are all done by the inner circle, and there are no annual meetings with national leaders specifically for this.

Recently I asked Shiraz Kabani about his 10 multi positions in UK. He said they are given under the constitution - Where in the constitution and rules which say the vice President of UK must have 10 multi positions. I have not been provided with the full and complete constitution or where it says about the multi positions with multi interests and or conflicts of interests.
When the names they have agreed are given to Hazar Imam with the reports. Hazar Imam confirms the appointments recommended by them. They confirm to Hazar Imam that those recommended are the best appointees and unanimously agreed by consensus with the National and local Leaders and therefore also the Jamat.

Hazar Imam does not select, remove or replace Leaders. Hazar Imam has given this responsibility under our constitution to our Institutional Boards. Can the leaders tell me which Leader has Hazar Imam removed without a specific recommendation from their Boards? Do all Leaders know the process and the ground reality? Have they seen the related Farmans with Imams annotations regrading the process.
To appoint a new Ismaili, or to excommunicate, & suspend a murid, Hazar Imam has also given that responsibility to our institutional Boards, and there is a process. You can see what NCAB and ICAB are not doing. When it comes to the inner circle, they are treated as being above the constitutions and Farmans. How can they be sure what they are being told, is what Imam is telling them ,without having Farmans and Imams annotations ?
The solution is for Leaders and staff down the line to seek and share the truth, including Farmans, annotations, our constitution and reports. You need to question critique, and verify what you are told. Especially if you know or think that is not what Imam says in Farmans. Imam also says you must use your intellect.
After going to NCAB and ICAB the next legal steps may become necessary before the inner circle stop blocking and gives to the Jamat what belongs to the Jamat including especially the full constitution, all Farmans, and all our constitutional reports. We know NCAB and ICAB are not what they are saying and what Hazar |Imam is saying in Farmans.

If you really want change, you must be the change you want - so each one of us needs to seek, share and help by doing what Imam says in Farmans. Not what Sachedina says when you know, that is not what Imam is telling him to tell us ( GJ London Farmans - which he and the inner circle deleted from the Farman)

Let us change, and work together selflessly in the collective interest of all the Jamat, not for the selective interest of the few, and their multi positions and multi interests.

If I am wrong on any of the above I request the leaders to clarify what is the correct process and the facts. And if you are not in the inner circle do you have all the Farmans , annotations, reports, or the full constitution and constitutional reports.

Ya Ali Madad and Navroz Mubarak

________________________________________

@ allumini

Very very good article, thank you indeed, This is what I have been asking in all my previous postings but unfortunatley our ismaili brothers and sisters are still under the SPELL of these leaders, This is the first response that I am satisfied with other wise all the responses I got so far for many of my postings was attacks and marginalization from the SPIRITUALLY CONCIOUS brothers and sisters, I hope this is an AWAKENING for them.

This is the first reply in connections to my WHO IS WHO posting, and I hope few more people will get their testerone high enough and guts to share some more inside workings of our jamati leaderships.

What I thiink is we ismailies are a Nation like Jews, hindus etc. but we are little different from them we have our Imam as our leader and caliph, we have our own flag ( which has been copyrighted by our leaders of jamat they restrict us even from using the colors in combinations at our own festivals but cannot say a single word or even file a lawsuit against GUCCI and many ITALIAN COMPANIES using the same combination as of FLAG) we have our own constitution (nobody has a copy of) but what we do not have is a country, I am glad we do not have our own country if we do and we have this SS and company as prime minister and hold all the top positions, and in the international survey of most corrupted nations we would be on top beating NIGERIA, PAKISTAN AND INDIA.

So my request to all you keeping this topic going and share as much as you can about our leaders, maybe few more postings like this will atleast make few of the leaders realize the INJUSTICE and DISSERVICE they are blessing the jamat with. May be few will have a rude awakening and RESIGN or few many JOIN THIS FORUM and turn their disservice to service and may find SALVATION. But all this demands GUTS ( i can use many words in my writing which will make people jump from their seats and do the right things) but for now just use GUTS.

YA ALI MADAD
NAVROZ MUBARAK.

companies - who are in key positions

The following are companies of the Jamat and for the benefit of the Jamat in different parts of the world. These are in addition the National Councils and Boards including ICAB, LIF, GRBS , NCABS etc - CAN YOU TELL US WHO ARE HOLDING THE KEY POSITIONS IN THESE INSTITUTIONS OF THE JAMAT ? and who are holding multi positions ?

Country United Kingdom ( Multi positions - S Sachedina, S Kabani, Naguib Kheraj, M Keshavjee, Z Mehgji, Azim Lakhani, Amin Mawjji, and others within special projects)
Institute of Ismaili Studies Research , training, and publications, in particular regarding the Shia Imami Ismaili Tariquah of Islam – (Not a single publication on Ismaili rites and ceremonies or Imams farmans or Speeches )
Islamic Publications limited – Publication of books for Institute of Ismaili Studies
AKF UK Limited - Charity and part of AKDN
Focus Humanitarian UK
Imama UK limited _ Propery and holding companies for all properties held by the Jamat and our institutional companies
Aga Kkan University London Limited – part of AKU
CFR 4 UK - charity for the collection of funds from the Jamat and spending for the Jamat in UK
Madad UK - Nursing home and flats for the Jamat in London – “Jubilee court”
ITALY
Meridiana spa - 89.9% Airline.
Country Company Field of Activity
Afghanistan Telecom Development Company Afghanistan Ltd - Roshan
Location: Kabul GSM mobile telecommunications
Tourism Promotion Services (Afghanistan) Ltd
Location: Kabul Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
Bangladesh Industrial Promotion Services (Bangladesh) Ltd.
Location: Dhaka Development institution
Industrial Promotion and Development Company of Bangladesh Ltd
Location: Dhaka Development Finance Company
Burkina Faso
Air Burkina s.a.
Location: Ouagadougou Airline
Faso Coton
Location: Ouagadougou Cotton ginning and agricultural extension services
Fasoplast s.a.
Location: Ouagadougou Production of polypropylene bags and plastic moulded products
Sosuco s.a.
Location: Banfora Sugar production /
Sugar Cane Plantation
Canada Industrial Promotion Services Ltd
Location: Toronto Venture Capital company
Acorn Packaging Ltd
Location: Toronto Printing and packaging
Mayfield Toyota Ltd
Location: Edmonton Automobile dealerships
Country Hills Ltd
Location: Edmonton Automobile dealerships
T&T Honda Ltd
Location: Calgary & Edmonton Automobile dealerships
Congo (Democratic Republic of the) Industrial Promotion
Services (Congo) sarl
Location: Kinshasa Development institution
Masal sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of matches
Metalu sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of aluminium frames and household goods
Sotral sprl
Location: Likasi Manufacture of aluminium and copper household goods
Socembal sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of metal drums
Trefilkin sprl
Location: Kinshasa Manufacture of wire products
Côte d’Ivoire Industrial Promotion
Services (West Africa) s.a.
Location: Abidjan Development institution
Azito Energie s.a.
Location: Abidjan Power generation
Chimtec s.a.
Location: Abidjan Marketing company (chemicals)
Fibako-Ivoirembal s.a.
Location: Bouaké Production of sisal and synthetic cordage, polypropylene cloth and bags
*Filtisac Côte d’Ivoire s.a.
Location: Abidjan Production of jute and polypropylene bags, and other industrial packaging
Ivoire Coton s.a.
Location: Abidjan Cotton ginneries and agricultural extension services
Sisep s.a.
Location: Abidjan Production of plastic bottles and jerry cans
India Development Credit Bank Ltd
Location: Mumbai Banking
Platinum Jubilee Investments Ltd
Location: Mumbai Investments
Kenya Industrial Promotion Services (Kenya) Ltd
Location: Nairobi Development institution
Allpack Industries Ltd
Location: Nairobi Manufacture of high quality corrugated carton packaging and polypropelene bags
Alltex EPZ Ltd
Location: Nairobi Garment-making
Farmer’s Choice Ltd
Location: Nairobi Meat processing
Frigoken Ltd
Location: Nairobi Vegetable processing for export
Kamyn Industries Ltd
Location: Mombasa Manufacture of hosiery
Kenya Litho Ltd
Location: Nairobi Commercial printing and packaging
Leather Industries of Kenya Ltd
Location: Thika Processing of raw hides to finished leather
Premier Food Industries Ltd
Location: Nairobi Processing and canning of fruits and vegetables
Tsavo Power Company Ltd
Location: Mombasa Power generation
Wire Products Ltd
Location: Nairobi Manufacture of wire products and agricultural tools
* Tourism Promotion Services Ltd
Location: Nairobi Tourism Promotion
Tourism Promotion Services (Management) Ltd
Location: Nairobi Manager of tourism facilities
* Diamond Trust Bank Kenya Ltd
Location: Nairobi Banking
* The Jubilee Insurance Company Ltd Life and general insurance
Property Development and Management Ltd
Location: Nairobi Property owner/manager
* Nation Media Group Ltd
Location: Nairobi Media
Kyrgyz Republic Kyrgyz Investment and Credit Bank Ltd
Location: Bishkek Investment and credit banking
Madagascar Fanasoavana s.a.
Location: Antananarivo Financial services
Mali Compagnie Aérienne du Mali
Location: Bamako Airline
Embalmali s.a.
Location: Bamako Production of polypropylene woven bags and other synthetic packaging
Energie du Mali s.a.
Location: Bamako Power and Water Generation
Mauritius Jubilee Insurance (Mauritius) Ltd
Location: Port Louis Life and general insurance
Mozambique Hotel Polana Ltda
Location: Maputo Tourism promoter, hotel owner
Pakistan Industrial Promotion Services
(Pakistan) Ltd
Location: Karachi Development institution
Tourism Promotion Services
(Pakistan) Ltd
Location: Karachi Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
Habib Bank Ltd. Banking
* New Jubilee Insurance Company Ltd
Location: Karachi General insurance
New Jubilee Life Insurance Company Ltd
Location: Karachi Life insurance
Senegal Cofisac s.a.
Location: Dakar Production of polypropylene
Fumoa s.a.
Location: Dakar Production of metal drums and plastic moulded products
Switzerland Industrial Promotion Services s.a.
Location: Geneva Industrial management services
Serena Tourism Promotion
Services s.a.
Location: Geneva Tourism management services
Tajikistan Indigo Tajikistan Cjsc
Location: Dushanbe GSM mobile
PamirEnergy Ojsc
Location: Khorog Power generation
Somoncom Cjsc
Location: Khurjand GSM Mobile
Tourism Promotion Services
(Tajikistan) Ojsc
Location: Dushanbe Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
Tanzania Industrial Promotion Services (Tanzania) Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Development institution
Moshi Leather
Industries Ltd
Location: Moshi Processing of raw hides to finished leather
TLL Printing &
Packaging Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Commercial printing and packaging, corrugated cartons, multi-wall sacks and paper mill
Tourism Promotion Services
(Tanzania) Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Tourism promoter, hotel and lodge owner and manager
Tourism Promotion Services
(Zanzibar) Ltd
Location: Zanzibar Tourism promoter and hotel owner and manager
Diamond Trust Bank Tanzania Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Banking
The Jubilee Insurance Company of Tanzania Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam General Insurance
Mwananchi Communications Ltd
Location: Dar es Salaam Print media and radio
Uganda Industrial Promotion Services
(Uganda) Ltd
Location: Kampala Development institution
Bujagali Energy Limited
Location: Jinja Hydro power production
Kampala Pharmaceuticals
Industries Ltd
Location: Kampala Manufacture of pharmaceutical products
Leather Industries of Uganda Ltd
Location: Jinja
Processing of raw skins and hides to finished leather
Uganda Fishnet Manufacturers Ltd
Location: Kampala Manufacture of fishnets
West Nile rural Electrification Co.
Location: Arua
Rural electrification
Diamond Jubilee Investment Trust
Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Investment company
Diamond Trust Bank Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Banking
Diamond Trust Properties Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Property owner/manager
The Jubilee Insurance Company of Uganda Ltd
Location: Kampala Life and general insurance
Jubilee Investments Company Ltd
Location: Kampala Property owner/manager
The Monitor
Publications Ltd
Location: Kampala Print media and radio
Tourism Promotion Services (Uganda) Ltd
Location: Kampala Tourism promoter, hotel owner and manager
AKDN
AKA Aga Khan Academies
AKAM Aga Khan Agency for Microfinance
AKES Aga Khan Education Services
AKF Aga Khan Foundation
AKFED Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development
AKHS Aga Khan Health Services
AKPBS Aga Khan Planning and Building Services
AKTC Aga Khan Trust for Culture
AKU Aga Khan University
FOCUS Focus Humanitarian Assistance
UCA University of Central Asia

No Right to Change except MHI , when Appointed by MHI ....!

Dear Allumni and Gafoor , Ya Ali Madad ,

Without going into other - further details of this correspondence , first of all , i would clearly say , that , any body appointed by MHI , if not working or not working properly , then , Right to Change him /her , is with MHI only , and , not with anybody of jamats , any where , in any form , any time , and , i hope jamats should not be misguded on this point , that , jamats or any jamati members has any such right/s to change any leader/s , my iman does not permit me doing so , or , even thinking so , and , me or we are doing nothing to change any body , may he be SS , MM or Any Local Member Any Where , we are doing anything / everything , to bring only changes , in person/s and system only , .....and , showing creation of such rights in jamats is nothing , but , Challenging the Rights of MHI only , .....if i am doing anything , i have no personal griviences with any leader/s , except to bring changes in them and in system only , and , if any body is dreaming of changing any body from his /her post , if appointed by MHI , and , then thinking him/her self on that seat , then , one should understand , that , it is never possible , except , MHI , is wishing so , .....that's all ....... ya ali madad ..............!

Mr Manssorbhai - Do you

Mr Manssorbhai -

Do you have any Farmans or in the constitution where it says Imam selects, appoints and removes leaders ? or that Leaders cannot remove other Leaders. There are many Leaders who have been removed by SS and co since 1992. You also know they are not even giving you Farmans or the constitution ? Why ? Doid Imam tell them not to ? If they are lying in that case what makes you think they are not lying in this case.

Imam says clearly you must ask and the Leaders are not teling you - Why is Imam telling the Jamat ? When you are doing what Imam is asking, you are Farmanbardari, and you are not challenging the Imam - Like in your court cases - you are asking and seeking what Imam says in Farmans you must seek and get.

They want to put an extra veil of confusion between the Jamat and the Imam - You know Nagib has submitted evidence of forgerines. ICAB is saying the constitution and law does not apply to S Sachedina ? Therefore ICAN and S Sachedina are above the constitution and the Law. On the other hnd you have rightly gone to the Courts. Some will soon take them to the Court, lie you said we need a court order because they are not beyond the constitution and the law.

On March 17th, 2013 Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani (not verified)

YA ALI MADAD Mansoor bhai; i just responded to ALLUMIni posting and if your posting would have been posted 5 minutes earlier it could have saved me some time. Well anyway, Are you serious about what you wrote, I just cannot believe it. are you suggesting we are just ROBOTS, then please tell me if we are not then what the hell are we doing are we following a TRIQUAH whose foundation is in the ISLAM, is this SIRAT-UL-MUSTQIM you are suggesting, or all this, combine and become A CRIME SYNDICATE OR CRIME INCORPORATED, in which IF YOU CANNOT FIGHT THE INJUSTICE THEN JOIN THEM. WOW . UMED is right in his posting to this regard.

Now you suggest us HOW WILL YOU GET THIS NEWS ABOUT HIS APPOINTED LEADER'S CORRUPTION, DISSERVICE AND MISTRUST GETS TO THE HAZAR IMAM?? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE THE SLEEPING PILLS TO THE GATE KEEPER/S so that your mail get through. Let me tell you very frankly in a proverb, whether you agree or not have you heard this URDU proverb: " RAZIA GUNDO MAY PHAS GAYEE HAI "

Here is my million dollar question: In our history all the IMAMs 48 of them didn't they all have his most loyal murids as thier personal body gaurds, If you cannot get a simple letter to the MHI without SS and company reading it first and they decide what MHI should read and not read, tell me how are you going to tell MHI that there is corruption mafia working right under his nose?? Just answer that. and if your answer is he is EVERKNOWING then do not waste your time. That is the only reason why few months back I raised the question in this forum "" we take tylenol if we have a headache what does MHI do when he has a headache "" nobody got my point in that question instead few stupid spiritiually elevated souls thought they are smarter and attacked me, well they got their answers if the moderator did not hold few of my postings back.

Please real problems need real solutions, POOR MAN THINKS MAWLA WILL SOLVE HIS POVERTY BUT HE NEVER REALIZES, HE IS POOR BECAUSE OF HIS OWN ACTIONS. THAT IS THE REASON WHY SOME RICH FOLKS TEACHES THEIR KIDS "" SEE WHAT A POOR MAN IS DOING AND DO NOT EVER FOLLOW IT BECAUSE THAT IS THE REASON WHY HE IS POOR '''"

YA ALI MADAD

Is not history full of

Is not history full of examples of Imams and Dais's dying and being assainated by their top leaders of the time - or those who pretended they were ?

Did not Imam say recently we must learn from our history and the reason we preserve our heritage is to learn and benefit from them.

Moral Turpitude

Not it is not true. There is a Constitutional process to remove a leader that for example has been caught in moral turpitude or bankruptcy. These are Constitutional processes approved by Mowlana Hazar Imam Himself and there is no need to ask him again and again before applying it.

Hazar Imam has approved these constitutional processes to remove even people that He has appointed but which later betray the Imam and the community by their actions.

Moral Turpitude includes forging Hazar Imam's signature, attempting to murder him, his son or his Murid, attempting to misuse or appropriate funds that belongs to the Imam etc....

ICAB does not apply constitutional processes, not because they do not know about it but because these processes are detrimental to their relations and friends. For example if Nanji and Sachedina are involved in Commercial and Financial or family relations, Nanji will certainly do his possible to protect Sachedina from any proceeding against him even if SS has betrayed the Imam.

what is that process , if , mentioned in our constitution ....?

Dear Umed . Ya Ali Madad ,
Well , with due respect to you personally , let me know , what is the process , if mentioned in our constitution , if any tning any such wrong/s , done by - any of any leader/s , and , if found guilty of any criminal offences even ? , has any right/s with jamats - jamati members to remove/ replace him /her ,except , MHI , if appointed by MHI ? , ................ya ali madad ........!

process approved by the Imam to dismiss an appointee

http://ismaili.net/source/legal-documents/1998-ismaili-rules-and-regulat...

Moral Turpitude is article 36.1H

This section Article 36 covers the cases in which a person can be suspended, if he cease to be of sound mind, if an appointee cease to be an Ismaili, or is convicted etc....

You have not read the

You have not read the constitution carefully. I realise they have not given you the Indian constitution and all the related rules and Farmans.

The above Letter to leaders has actually been sent to our leaders, and if there is anything not correct, the Leaders will clarify and give us
the Farmans and constitution which say, Hazar Imam selects the following leaders and appoints them and only Hazsr Imam can remove them - This must be new because this was not in the 1998 constitution or the rules and Farmans since. They may produce something. Remember the complaint and evidence submitted by Nagib of forgeries by Shafik Sachedina. Anything is possible.

In feb 2010 and may 2010, as you know ITREB and ICAB and NCABS have issued new rules under our constitution, Where are the Farmans that go with them and they are refusing to give the written approvals by the LIF or national councils before they submitted them to Hazar Imam. They are not saying if Hazar Imam is required to approve them or can they ? Why were these at the time of the lawsuit and not in 1998?

They are right Mansoorali

They are right Mansoorali Bhai - What Leaders tell you is not what Imam is telling them. The Top Leaders select those who are appointed snd infi Hazar Imam - see the constitutional rules on this website. If a majority of the Jamat or Leaders decide than a Leaders can be removed. Hazar Imam says in Farmans which are blocked that there must be consensus and best practice. Leaders tell you only the Imam can remove them because they don't want you to question the process or ask them for even Farmans. Look at what they are doing in your cases.

Also read 36.2 - the Boards

Also read 36.2 - the Boards can remove a Board member and they have to simply notify Hazar Imam - so when SS and Co tell you only Hazar Imam can appoint them and remove them they are not telling the truth. That is why the multi positions and musical chairs so their own people are in majority in key Boards and why they hide Farmans and constitution , and they don't tell you who are in each of the boards of the Jamats companies which belong to the Jamats as Hazar Imam says in Farmans.

My Reply to Pakifellah - U. S. A.

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani
On March 12th, 2013 Pakifellah (not verified) says:
All my life all i have seen THE IMAMAT is hurt and misused by our leaders more than any one else, whether it be a volunteer or imara leadership or ITREB or SS AND COMPANY. A very good example in todays history is right in fromt of our eye did any thing change in the world of mercenaries after the big institution changed it name from NOIR EAU to you know what. Did the crime against humanity stopped by the name change? NO.

my reply :

Dear Pakifellah , u s a , Ya Ali Madad ,
Eji Bhav Hu'a , Pan Bhakti Na Hu'i , Jivdo Uthine Chalyo Udaas ji ,

Thanks ,

Your suggestions - submissions are good , but , we can't ex communicate any body , ....and we are not intending any body to be punished , untill they them selves , force us , to get done them punihed by law ,
Intention of serving - working for , Imam - Jamats , is Important ,

i once inquired here with a travel agent , as to , i am thinking to visit U. S. A. , what could be the expenses ? ,
he replied , not a single coin ,
i was astonished , ....why ? ,
said , for Thinking only , ...no Expenses ,
...if you Really wanted to Go , then only Expenses !

i have earlier cleared here so many times , that , writing of thousands of letters - e mails , can prove you a hard labourer , but with no results , in the interest of jamats , (may be any personal interest , but , it can't be transmitted as jamati interest ,.... jamati interest should be felt by jamats and readers here ) , and , forget , that , i will do it , say , we will do it ,

we need result oriented labour , one should come here , not only with problems , but , with solutions , if you describe a person , once or thousand times or ten thousand times as bad , ....it is same only , but , by describing him bad , for thousand or ten thousand times , what you want to establish ? , that , he is bad ? , nothing else ? ,

so , try to come here , not only with complaints and suggestions only , but , come with solved problems of jamats , by you and /or others , i don't claim so , but , it does not mean , that , i can't expect from others here ,

just for information only , an example from my recent experiences here in india , .......an ismaili lady (widow ) , was in difficult condition , and , could not pay monthly high rent on leave - licence agreement for her residence with family , so she repeatedly requested for long time to mk , board members , committee members ,etc . , for to grant some loan for heavy deposit , but , no response - saying ,that , no funds for ,
during discussing with some other ismailis , she was advised to contact me , ...she met me , ...i got her written an application to one our jamati institution , ....after few days , she started receiving calls of threats from our some ' leader ' , that , soon submit apology in writing , for writing such application to our such institution , .....she was affraid , .......she informed me , .... i got her written a letter again to same institution , and , it was a time bound letter , .........within few days .....to day in the morning , she informed me , ......that , yesterday evening , she has been given said loan ,
.....this is the way to be adopted , they teach us , how jamati works could be got done ?! , .....
thank you ......ya ali madad ........!

Change & solutions

Change begins woth You ! and if you change and are willing to change first.

Are you sharing Farmans and information with others ? Most of the Jamat do not know.

Change does not come overnight or just because you have a new Leader - you are right, look at America and Egypt today ? If Shafik Sachedina resigns or all other leaders remove him from the 16 Boards. That will be Great, but only a great beginning of the Change we need.

The solution is for you to seek and share Farmans and share the truth about those who are blocking Farmans, reports and also material resources of the jamats, from the the Jamat.

The roots of all the

The roots of all the mismanagement in the community is only few people, maybe 4 or 5 and if these were to be removed, the affairs of the community would come back on the right track.

There are key positions where we need people with very high professional caliber and high level of integrity and ethics. Amongst the Key positions, I would say the Chair of LIF, ICAB, the Secretariat.. The secretaries of all main institutional bodies because they are like an interface. If the interface is corrupt, no data would go from Imamat to Jamat.

You can have 2 multimillion dollars worth of equipment but if the $5 cable between them is not functional, both would stop communicating. This is what is happening, we have extraordinary institutions in the Ismaili community, we have extraordinary people both paid and volunteers but some key positions are so corrupt that they make the whole system fail.

Especially the I-CAB which is the highest Judicial Institution on which we should be able to rely for the checks and balance but which unfortunately is the most corrupt of our institutions and the biggest failure in term of integrity and ethics..

You have hit the nail on the

You have hit the nail on the head so to speak. What is needed is for no Leader to have more than two positions at the same time. Replacing just the Chair of any or many Baords will not change anything. For exmaple they have a new Chair of LIF. The core decision makers in LIF are the same. In ICAB they have a majority of the Board in their inner circle, who are more interested in material self interest. What is needed is transparency and the key positions with new people who love the Imam and the Jamat, and for whom what Imam says is more important and for them the Jamat comes first. They will thereofre not allow, or not be tempted into holding onto the trappings of money and power for themselves and their familiy and friends. .

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani

Ya ali madad: I completely sync with your reply, but the story of that lady you quoted my question is:
1) did MHI give those leaders permission to treat his troubled murid be treated in a degrading manner.
2) did MHI give out instructions to those appointed, to THREAT and marginalised and humiliate the needy and then solve their problems.

recently I had a very close observation of a matter of divorce, and what did I saw same arrogance from the committee, one committee over riding the other saying we will drag more money out of the defendant one way or the other, while both parties are are willing to close and leave behind and move on with thier lives, and the defendant had to go to court to settle and that matter was solved so smoothly through court, I wonder why they even approach this committee in the first place, this is just one example, you are in the forefront you know all the tactics they play.

and when you say:
" so , try to come here , not only with complaints and suggestions only , but , come with solved problems of jamats , by you and /or others , i don't claim so , but , it does not mean , that , i can't expect from others here "

here is what I wrote, it is a complaint and a suggestion:
"Here is the simple and the only solution. REMEMBER we have given our BAYAH to our MHI we are not in conflict with our Imam we are in conflict with the management that has become a MAFIA, the mafia who is blackmailing us in the performance of our relegious rights, the messenger/s are stealing our mails our parcels of FIRMANS and have blocked our communictions with the imams, LETS KICK THEM OUT OF OUR DEEN LETS EXCOMMUNICATE THEM through the same venue and system they use to malign NAGIB AND ALNAZ and many others. LETS TAKE THEM TO COURT IN EVERY COUNTRY WE HAVE A ISMAILI POPULATION. DRAG THEM EVERYWHERE TILL THEY SWEAT FROM THEIR BEHIND. I hate to read in every post someone is making a request PLEASE MR ICAB PLEASE MR SS BLA BLA AND BLAH. If that Mansoor bhai from india can do it in INDIA WHY CANNOT it be done in Canada or the USA or the UK."

can some one please expalin HOW DO PEOPLE GET EXCOMMUNICATED the process????
are the person/s excommunicated in the past were thry excommunicated on whose complaint, and was there a due process, If MHI excommunicated those individuals, then someone must have forwarded the reason/s in the application to the IMAM for such an action, who were those applicants NCAB ICAB or some other Jamati institution.

Was there anyone excommunicated on the complaint of an individual (jamati member) like us with no affiliation to any of the institutions what so ever.

The suggestion is also in that same paragraph, why cant we ask for it, the leaders think and have the assurances that they are above the law. but one individual from this forum cannot do it on his own , he will be fried and grilled this hase to be a collective effort, as they all stand togather in good decision or bad decision, we must have a collective voice.

Our application even if we draft it will not reach it recepients we have seen that happen in the copyright case, that is the reason why I suggested the venue of dragging them in court, there must be a way for us to contact and bring our application to the MHI. His decision will be the last, we will accept it no matter what. May be if excommunication is out of the question atleast a SLAP ON THE WRIST or maybe he fire some one or may some strict rules and regulations for the leaders, we will accomplish some thing for the betterment and the interest of the JAMAT or in the worst scenerio we might get the FIRMANS WE WANT so bad.

THINK ABOUT IT PONDER ON THIS, YOU KNOW WHERE TO FIND ME FOR SUPPORT, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO YOU GUYS, IN YOUR CONTACT LIST.

BTW I have no personal animosity with any one either in the leadership or anywhere else but my rule of thumb is if you took an oath to SERVE THE IMAM AND HIS JAMAT you must perform accordingly and as per your suggestions Mansoor bhai I am give your way and suggestion a try, I am going to request today on your say:

Dear Mr leaders:
This is a request to you all leaders of DJI (either a legal entity or not if it is there it is) I know you guys are reading every word that is written here, and I also know you guys own MEN IN BLACK to do your dirty laundry, but let me tell you your cleaned laundry will not look good to you when you put them and look in a dirty mirror. You guys looks like and feels like are in your 60's or may be 50's, you are not immortal I mean your roller coaster is now in the descending mode, the ride will end soon, and I don't want you to say to those angels I was so busy I never got a chance to repent and the answer would be sorry guy as we angels do our job with utmost loyalty and dedication to our Master Allah, you could have done so by serving your Imam and your jamat, time to go big guy btw the angel on the left is getting crushed from your baggage, have done any good for me to carry, are you ready for a bumpy ride.

YA ALI MADAD

@ Pakifellah , u. s. a.

Dear Pakifellah , Ya Ali Madad ,
......i will write in details afterwards , .....but , so far as matter of Excommunication of Certain Leaders , proposed by you , is concerned ,
.......my reply is only , that ,
......First confirm , whom you want to excommunicate ? , and , Secondly , confirm , that , whom you want to excommunicate ? .....are' ISMAILIS ' ??....or , Non Ismailis in the Eyes of Jamats and Imam ? ,
......after Becoming Leader , they have stopped behaving like An Ismaili , with Jamats - Imam ,
.....so , when their Status is already of a Non Ismaili , then , where is question of excommunication of them ? ,
......they are already excommunicated , in the eyes of Jamats and More in the EYES of IMAM ,
...so don't worry , Go Ahead , and , don't do anything to excommunicate who are excommunicated , or , they will start entering ISMAILISM , by applying in CABS , ( who are also like Non Ismailis - and ...- it will create more complications then - so be calm only ) , if from here they come to know , that , they are already - taken granted - as excommunicated - as non ismailis , by Jamats - Imam ........ya ali madad .....!

Letter to Mr Noordin nanji

Letter to Mr Noordin Nanji and Nazmin Kassam 11 March 2013 - When and,Were these rules approved by Hazar Imam or by the national Councils

Regarding Nagib Tajdins' complaint against Shafik Sachedina , and evidence submitted of forgery of Imam's signature, and rules - process  I have been informed by Nagib Tajdin, ICAB  dismissed his application without hearing or submissions of related documents or submissions on jurisdictional issues”  ICAB reply was : "we have carefully read your appeal material and have found nothing new, therefore the appeal is rejected and our Order stands.".

Therefore under the rules  why was this not referred  NCAB UK or Canada ?,  and then special Leave to ICAB,  and then a review and appeal by ICAB. Please confirm that ICAB  can and did jump our constitutional process ?  In the lawsuit against Nagib and Alnaz, NCAB or ICAB were also not consulted by Shafik Sachedina, Aziz Bhaloo, Mohammed Keshavjee and Azim Lakhani.  

Please let me know if the  above is not correct and can you please clarify. 

I note the ICAB/NCABS disciplinary rules for UK were approved by NCAB UK in May 2010  (signed), and by NCAB  Canada in Feb 2010 (unsigned);  Can you please also; 

1                   confirm the date and when Hazar Imam approved these and any related  rules  (or whether Hazar Imam did not and or did not need to approve them)

2                   Confirm the date when the National Councils of Canada and UK approved these rules (or were they not required to do so under the constitution)

3                   Confirm the date when these were prepared by ICAB and drafts approved by NCABS and National Councils ( before they were approved by ICAB and presented to Hazar Imam for approval)

WHO IS WHO

we have been hearing a lot about these people in leaderships like SS, manji, keshawaji etc. etc. etc. and we all know they
are corrupt, I have a request would anyone care to expose who these people are? what are their businesses and how many positions these individual hold in the jamati institutions, I want a details ONE BY ONE is this possible where SS comes from besides being MHI secretary or PA what does he do , how many businesses he owns himself or through proxies. and like that other actors biographies.

YA ALI MADAD

Why

Why would like all of this info ?

Why ? !

Dear Anon , Ya Ali Madad ,
Why would You like to Question like this ?! ,
Any body here can ask any related information on certain discussion here ,
and there is nothing wrong , in asking and / or providing any such informations here ,
and , intension any way of serving Imam - Jamats , at any level , through such information/s , is important ,
ya ali madad ,

On March 12th, 2013 Anon (not verified) says:

you asked " Why would like all of this info "

my question is why not, are you one of them who got cold feet of getting exposed OF CORRUPTION or worrying about the chair slipping away from underneath.

ya ali madad

To blind yes men pity or anger ?!

my reply to

These are issues that may go

On March 8th, 2013 librarian-umed says:
These are issues that may go as far as the Supreme Court.

But to start helping the Jamat worldwide, you need first a strong judgement from High Court that says that no Indian citizen can be subjected to any community Constitution such as the Ismaili Constitution unless they have open access to all of the supporting documents including the Constitution, the Rules and Regulations, the Cases, the Farmans that supersede some articles of those R&R or other documents.

This will ensure that the Ismaili Constitutional documents which are hidden on purpose from the Jamat becomes available not only in India but elsewhere also.

.. Dear Umed , Ya Ali Madad ,
......Surely an important suggestion , .....and i will put forward this as an important issue , before hon. court for consideration ,
story of ' our constitution ' has become like story of a king , (aiglemont leader ) ,
.....no cloth seen , but , all blind - yes men , have to say , ' yes it is there ' ,
if not said yes , .....then , ' sword on neck ' ,
so , ......feel ' pity '..... yaar , .....for such help less 'blind - yes men ', instead of anger ,
ya ali madad ....!

I agree but also the Leaders

I agree but also the Leaders down the line and many of the yes men do not know the truth and do not want to know. I see in UK there are complaint before NCAB UK and ICAB. Once they do the same as in India, I have no doubt that these will go before the courts in UK. One of the issues to be decided by the court will be that the full constitution as intended and confirmed by the Aga Khan must be made available to all Ismailies and since they were not all the rulings before can be challenged and dismissed. ALL

Having said that the present leaders and the yes men will fight thee cases and use their and the Jamats resourses to even the supreme court.

The good news is that all the jamats are reading wacthing and listening

@ bloglaw

" The good news is that all the jamats are reading wacthing and listening"

I agree with what you are saying here is a suggestion to the moderator of this forum, is it possible to put a counter on this webpage so we know how many visitors visited this forum and from where besides the participants and the authors, so we know and measure the mental status of the jamat or are they the SILENT AUDIENCES waiting for a change or may be a VICTIM of this bureaucracy and holding their silences because sometimes or a lot of times they have been told it is a big sin to talk or question the establishment. PAAP LAGAY GA.

YA ALI MADAD

yes good comparison. The

yes good comparison. The invisible clothes are the DJI, it does not exist but they all are saying it is there, we see it. Doesn't matter there is nothing on it in the Constitution, doesn't matter thre is no Talika or Farman, they all see it.

Renaming CABS.........How will it look if ....

My rely to

We have to wait for the next

On March 5th, 2013 librarian-umed says:
We have to wait for the next revision of the ismaili Constitution. Maybe in view of what is happening, Mowlana Hazar Imam will change the name of the Conciliation and Arbitration Board for a more appropriate name. Unless he gets out all of the corrupt people and replace them by new blood. It has happened in the past. Drastic changes of all leadership at once.

reply Canada
Dear Umed - Ya Ali Madad ,
...Hopefully , .....New Name is required to be given , but ,
....how will it look ? ,
....if i suggest Re - Naming as , " Conciliation and Arbitration Board for Divorce , or ,
.....(only) ....Divorce Board ?!
.....i am inspired to rename such , only from the Percentage of Divorces of the Total Cases came up for their Solutions
before Honorable CABS ! ,
.....i have Heard of Some Cases , .....Got Tired off , and , .....Left Fighting , and , .....Got Reunited of their Own only ,
.....and ......this happened , because of Solid Delay in CABS ,
.....is it one of the Reasons , that ' , They do Delay , and with such hope only ? ,
.... that , Disputants coming to CABS , on going out side ,
may Advertise , in jamats , that ,
.....if you have any dispute , solve your selves only , .....don't go to CABS ,
.....UNLESS / UNTIL ......
you are sure you have power to continue fight till next generation , if you have generation ,
.... and , if you have no generation , then , if you can you wait as having , ' no generation ' for next 5 / 10 / 15 / 20 years ......
Principle Applied - if you want to kill any body , you have to ' some thing '
but , if you ' do not do any thing ' , it will die itself only (suicide ) , .....Result is Same ,
.....so why to be Blamed as ' Killer ' instead of ' Honored '?! ,
.....ya ali madad .....!

@ Mansoorali Abdulrahim Noorani

All my life all i have seen THE IMAMAT is hurt and misused by our leaders more than any one else, whether it be a volunteer or imara leadership or ITREB or SS AND COMPANY. A very good example in todays history is right in fromt of our eye did any thing change in the world of mercenaries after the big institution changed it name from NOIR EAU to you know what. Did the crime against humanity stopped by the name change? NO.

So what should we do to bring about that change. The President of the USA won the election twice i the name of CHANGE AND CHANGE WE BELIEVE IN, right, did the killing of innocent men women and children in the islamic countries stopped, NO did the economy got better NO Is the lying and cover ups stopped NO the only change I see in the USA is the blacks have a smile on their faces because the President is black even though the blacks are more miserable then ever.

What am i trying to say is, if you even or ever succeed in getting rid of all the culprits or culpritesses you will change nothing because their idealogy is rooted deep in the smallest of our jamati instituttions. This undertaking will be as big as getting rid of all the IDOLS from KHANA-E-KABA by our beloved propbet Muhammed (SAW) and 1500 years later not a single idol in that holy mosque. are we ready for that. I dont know about you guys but I am ready, SIMPLE solution EXCOMMUNICATE them so the small parasites can learn and never even try to think about it doing anything stupid and absurd.

Now as we all trying to bring ARAB SPRING into our corrupt system and expects a clean up of bad apples, we cannot run around destroying the infrastructure, we can do it in a more civilized manner we have the ammunations of education and professionalism.

Here is the simple and the only solution. REMEMBER we have given our BAYAH to our MHI we are not in conflict with our Imam we are in conflict with the management that has become a MAFIA, the mafia who is blackmailing us in the performance of our relegious rights, the messenger/s are stealing our mails our parcels of FIRMANS and have blocked our communictions with the imams, LETS KICK THEM OUT OF OUR DEEN LETS EXCOMMUNICATE THEM through the same venue and system they use to malign NAGIB AND ALNAZ and many others. LETS TAKE THEM TO COURT IN EVERY COUNTRY WE HAVE A ISMAILI POPULATION. DRAG THEM EVERYWHERE TILL THEY SWEAT FROM THEIR BEHIND. I hate to read in every post someone is making a request PLEASE MR ICAB PLEASE MR SS BLA BLA AND BLAH. If that Mansoor bhai from india can do it in INDIA WHY CANNOT it be done in Canada or the USA or the UK.

That was the intent of my last post yesterday @ WHO IS WHO. lets start working andd acheive something for our brothers and sisters in faith, As for me I am not an educated person I got enough education to understand. but you guys are professionals in some i see the qualities of attorneys and lawyers, and I promise if you guys ever need me I will support you like a dog till the end, but DO SOMETHING just exchanging emails on this forum has done nothing, all there is I see is comments " you are right blog and i agree with you umed and intregrity you got a point and kacoomber just mixes everything and turns it into a delicious kachomber (just kidding kachomber bhai it is just a joke) LOL

ya ali madad

Appeal to ICAB

Appeal to His Highness the Aga Khan Shia Imami Ismaili international concilaition and Arbitration Board Attention Noordin Nanji

"
To ICAB and To NCAB UK 7 March 2013

I refer to my complaints against Shafik Sachedina, A J Dharamsey, Azim Lakhani and Mohammed Keshavjee individually.

I re-confirm my appeal. NCAB UK have acted unfairly, and erred under inter alia, our constitution, Farmans , constitutional rules, the ethics of our faith, and the UK law.

I look forward to receiving the ICAB appeal rules and the procedures. I also request you to let me have the information requested from you, particularly but not only, after the First order by NCAB UK on about 24th December 2012.

I also confirm that I will use all earlier emails I have sent to NCAB UK, and to ICAB, and or copies of emails to both of our Boards who are acting as judicial bodies in these copmplaints.

Regarding Mr A J Dharamsey. - The basis of my complaint is not that A Dharamsey is not an Ismaili. I requested NCAB UK to consider and rule as a “Judicial body”, if Mr Dharamsey is an Ismaili, and whether he revoked, his Bayah based on the evidence provided. If NCAB decided he did revoke his Bayah then to decide if he was readmitted and was the constitutional process followed in re admitting him as an Ismaili. NCAB have erred and have not considered the evidence, or sought further clarification, and or evidence, knowing full well also that NCAB Canada is considering a complaint from Mr A Dharamsey as an Ismaili, against N Tajdin and A Jiwa. And further knowing that the evidence in those and other complaints forms a part of my evidence , in my complaint to NCAB UK including against A J Dharamsey.

NCAB UK have not given, any support, assistance, opportunity as a judicial body under our constitution, ethics and Farmans. NCAB UK have also not given me our full constitution, rules, regulations, process and or farmans or the law of UK which they are required and obligated to do.

I will be making further submissions after I receive details of the procedures, and information I have requested.

Please acknowledge receipt of this appeal.

M Chatur "

A mokery and Laughing !

They are making a mockery of justice and our community and NCAB and ICAB will be a laughing stock and a joke - Reading this appeal and their decisions before
http://ismaili.net/heritage/comment/reply/29740/16110

History is unfolding. The

History is unfolding. The world and the Jamat are watching NCABS and ICAB in action. circle in action. For the first time the Jamat is getting clear proofs and evidence of what SS and co are not doing and what Imam is saying in Farmans. We owe this to this Website, Nagib Tajdin and many who are now sharing and speaking out.

NCAB UK has not replied to the complaint by Gafoor. Will they do the same as in the above case ?

NCAB is unfair and wrong ..

NCAB UK is a “judicial body” under our constitution. This is similar to international Judicial bodies (and courts). The same rules of law, fairness and justice apply to NCAB UK. Under our constitution the law of the land is to be considered by NCAB UK.

NCAB UK have an additional obligation to take account of the ethics of our faith, our traditions, and farmans. NCAB UK must also take account of the law and rules of the courts. In this case the UK law.

NCAB UK have clearly not done so !. NCAB are also are saying office bearers are not equal and they are above our constitution, Imams Farmans and the law..

Anyone can tell you that is wrong and that we are all equal under the eyes of the law, Hazar Imam and our constitution.

Leaders and office bearers, they have not less, but more and additional responsibilities in serving the needs of every murid, equally.

Azim Lakhani and N Kheraj

Azim Lakhani and N Kheraj are Directors of NHS in UK UK and are also serving in AKDN - our constitution and the NHS constitution and the laws are the same - so why block Farmans and our constitution and refise to give teports to the Community - Jamats - What the are obliged to do in NHS and they do !
"Duty to involve and report to the public. NHS bodies are under a legal duty to involve people who use health services or their representatives in decisions about those services. This duty applies to strategic health authorities, primary care trusts, NHS trusts and NHS foundation trusts. The duty applies
to the planning of health services, proposals for changes in the provision of services and decisions that will affect the way services operate. Strategic health authorities and primary care trusts are also under
a legal duty to report publicly on how they have involved people in their activities and on the impact of
the consultation on their decisions. Members of the public are also able to attend the board meetings of strategic health authorities and primary care trusts. There are opportunities to give feedback on local services through regular surveys.

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