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Defenses Glorifying the Aga Khan filed in federal Court - 2010-04-29

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Thursday, 2010, April 29
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Heritage News
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In a surprisingly rapid twist of events, both Mr Tajdin and Mr Jiwa have filed their respective statements of Defense this 29th of April 2010. They affirm to being devoted followers who will unconditionally abide by the wishes of the Aga Khan, whom they glorify in their defense.

Mr Tajdin declares that:

He has not been served yet but the ethics imposed upon him by his faith demands that he should not keep in ignorance the public by being silent on the issue and should clarify all of the facts, pertaining to this lawsuit, of which he is aware.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of his wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

He has been printing Farman books since 1992 with approval and instructions from the Imam received on August 15, 1992 in Montreal.

He has not received any communication from the Imam from 1992 to 2009 instructing him to stop publication.

He cannot stop publication without instruction from the Imam as this would be a breach of his oath of allegiance to the Imam.

All Farman publications were financial deficit projects done as a volunteer service and large numbers of books were distributed free of charge.

Farman sharing is a historic Ismaili tradition which still continues today.

The current Ismaili Constitution does not restrict the right to publish Farmans

Mr Tajdin concludes that:

He has no choice but to await further direct instructions from the Imam.

He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of His wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.

Mr Jiwa states that:

"This action does not appear to have been authorized personally by the Aga Khan .."

"In distributing Farman books obtained from Tajdin to other Ismailis, he has not violated either the Ismaili Constitution or any Farmans"

He has not violated the copyright act as "Tajdin was given express authority by the Imam" and regardless of the fact that "the limitations period provided for by the Copyright Act also bars this action as the books containing the Farmans were commenced publication in the year 1992", he will still do whatever the Imam tells him to do.

Mr Jiwa clarifies finances:

He "obtains these books for C$50.00 from Tajdin and sells it for C$50.00, without any profit.

"All monies received by him from the sale of (other) books after 2005 were delivered to the Jamatkhanas"

Mr Jiwa further states that:

"If the Imam edited the Farman before releasing to the Jamats, in effect he is superceding the Farman he made orally previously."

He "unconditionally reconfirms his oath of allegiance to his Imam" and "if the Imam does not desire his Farman books to be distributed to the Jamats (...) this defendant will submit to the instructions of His Imam without reservation whatsoever"

Replies From the Plaintiff are due within 10 days, and Affidavits of Documents are due 30 days later.

[Update from May 6: Ogilvy Renault, the law firm which launched the case has asked for an extension of 15 days to reply to the Defense. They claim delays due to breakdown of email servers, blackberry communication, travel of senior lawyer, time difference with Paris etc...The more delays in this file, the more damage it creates to the reputation of the Ismaili community, the Imam and the defendants. It is to the advantage of all parties that this case be withdrawn from the courts.]

[Update from June 22: Defendants have filed a Motion for summary Judgement to have the case dismissed.]

[Update from September 5:
Online Book that gathers court materials as well as articles that are currently available for the ongoing 2010 Lawsuit:

Copyright Lawsuit 2010: Online Book of All available Materials
News on cross-examinations:
Copyright Lawsuit: CROSS_EXAMINATIONS Table of Contents - 2010-09-04
Latest Development
Copyright Lawsuit: Imam Appears for Discovery and Ends the Case - 2010-10-15
As users are asking to read the letters from Nagib and Alnaz on the court docket, the latest have been attached on the following link:
A. Various Court Filings

Revised Factums have been posted Here:
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment : Plaintiffs Revised Combined Factums of Reply and of Motion
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment: Defendants' Revised Factums of Motion and of Reply

There has been proven fraud in the recent past in the Aga Khan's domain by the Aga Khan's agents:
Aga Khan Lawsuit: Fraud at Aga Khan Studs - 2000-02-22

2011-05-25: A Jamati Member who has never met the Defendants volunteered as his brotherly duty to pay the $30,000 that was demanded in the Plaintiff''s submissions and that was accordingly ordered by the judge.
Read the full details of the $30,000 payment directly to H.H. The Aga Khan.

2011-06-16: The Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law against the Summary Judgment has been filed in court by the defendants on June 16th, 2011.
Read the Full Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law

Link to Court Docket Case T-514-10
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-60-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-59-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-156-13

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Where is the Wisdom in ?

Editor of Vancouverite says Bloglaw : “…If you accept that there is more wisdom than yours – right at the very top and if you accept the dominant doctrine – then you’d have to accept the choices that are made. If you don’t, then your dispute is with the very top of the leadership triangle. You’re questioning the wisdom of the decision-maker and that is what most people disagree with …”

bloglaw Replies
Editor. You and everyone are right that I am questioning the actions, reactions and decisions of the top leaders, who are Dr SS, MM, AB (and others who maybe closely involved behind the scene) .

Where is the wisdom you refer to of the Leaders in question in not following Imams Farmans Directions or guidance to the letter and the spirit.

I am convinced that Leaders in question particularly Dr SS and MM, are central to the issues and this lawsuit
Imam has blessed us with Farmans, Directions and Guidance. I am also convinced that Leaders in question are not following and also not sharing or allowing them to be shared The case is about serious issues arising from not sharing of Farmans with and between Ismailies. Copyright has never been questioned..
So, this case is about not following Imams farmans in resolving all disputes and differences by dialogue and discussion which is not being followed. I have not read any Farman which has changed Imams earlier Farmans on these matters. If there is I request Dr SS and MM to provide the Jamat and you Editor, with Farmans/Directions and guidance which Imam has made which says his earlier Farmans Guidance or directions should not be followed by Dr SS and MM, including recommending a lawsuit against Alnaz without first having a meeting with him in accordance with Imam’s Farmans and guidance. And not meeting them after 15 October 2010, etc.

I do not believe Imam would have given 30 minuites on 15th Oct to Alnaz and Nagib if they were wrong. I believe Dr SS and MM are not sharing and following Imams Farmans guidance and directions in this case specifically and generally regarding issues highlighted since 6th April 2010..

Imams do not go against Imam’s own Farmans Guidance and directions, unless Imams replace them with other guidance. In this case Imam has not, regarding conciliation, regarding sharing of Farmans and regarding encouraging questions and regarding seeking of information and knowledge, and regarding Farmans being available in all JK’s globally, to name a few.

Therefore the essence of my disagreement , my seeking answers and suggesting solutions is with and from the Leaders in question. I have also looked at the latest guidelines on conciliation, which heritage posted and you have decided not to (see above). I know you and some of the Leaders including SS and MM are reading these comments too. I hope others and the Noorani Family are also reading them from time to time.

Institutions are made of people.

The Institutions can function effectively only and only if the "people" who are the members of that body are honest and sincere in their duty and qualified to do that particular task.
Education is a key to the effective functionality.
Most of the time selected members are appointed by influence and "who knows whom" methodology.
CAB has lost credibility because inedequately qualified and unwise are often appointed, as aresult the "confidentiality" factor is not honored and jamat loses the trust in its members as a result the Institution becomes discredited

So no matter how sound the laid down guidelines and principles are there for councils and CAB if their top leaders do not implement them how can regular jamat trust them?

CAB is like a "name sake" body whose leader once a year stands up in Jk and gives a boring well articulated report without any effect on the jamat
If you ask one simple Q they are lost.
They will give a favorite answer" MHI wants this"
So you shut up!

@Bloglaw

Ya Ali Madad Bloglaw. You are absolutely right. Bloglaw I had the same question to ask "why was this matter not resolved internally by various Boards, before it went to Courts"? Thank You.

The Answer to your Question!

For me the answer to your question is obvious: The reason for the lawsuit is not copyright. Actually Alnaz or myself have never said in any Court document that we do not agree that Imam has copyright.

In fact I pleaded in December that the Imam's copyright on Farmans is even stronger in our faith than what the Canadian law says. By virtue of being the Bearer of the Noor, the Imam of The Time has copyright not only on His Farmans but on all Farmans made by previous Imam as the Farmans of previous Imams are His owns. But He has the right to allow anyone He chooses, to publish His Farmans whichever Century He made them. And He has the right to say that all Ismailis can and should distribute His Farmans to all Ismailis.

So what is the reason of this lawsuit? For one, we know that there were threats preceding the Lawsuit, these threats were that I will be discredited in the Jamat Worldwide. [Nothing to do with publishing Farmans, the book was just an excuse] Why is it so crucial for these people to discredit me. Is it because there is something I know that they do not want me to say? And when I say it they want everyone to disbelieve me?

How would this be done beside announcements in JK? In December, Gray was asked by the Judge what really he was trying to achieve and he said he is seeking to get a condemnation of infringement against me from the Court, something he said the Imam can not achieve by making a Farman. And when asked by the Judge how much money the plaintiff wanted from me, he gave a detailed account of about $30,000.

This is the same Gray who told me and Alnaz on October 15th 2010 that the Imam had specifically instructed that there should not be any cost asked from us. By saying that the Imam wanted $30,000 from us, all true Ismailis will agree that Gray has insulted the Imam. They would also agree that if Gray is disobeying instructions directly given to him by the Imam, he certainly can not be seen as representing the views of the Imam. And this is not only for the money. The same goes for the concept of "infringement" and many other demands put forth by this lawyer. Demands completely in line with SS demands, and completely out of line with Imam's instructions.

MM has tried to force the Imam to ask me to close this web site and the Imam has refused saying He was not familiar with any issue with this web site. Again the same question: Why this fear of this web site? How much is MM involved? Why did he bring this subject at the Discovery when the case was for the Book, not for the web-site. What was MM doing in the meeting room? Gray said he chose to bring MM. [Not the Imam]. MM is not officially party to the lawsuit, so?

Well regardless of what happens in the lawsuit, there is something bigger going on. In due time, I will put it here. And this is what our Imam has protected when he protected this web site against the demands of MM on October 15th.

Remember Wikileaks. Nobody knew. Now Everybody knows. The Power of Information!

Nagib

Would any plaintiff do this?

If the damages asked by Plaintiff were only $30,000, the attorney fees itself I am sure by now is over $50,000
Since it is one of the top law firm of Canada and travel expenses of other lawyer from Paris etc.
Who would incur 50k to recover 30k?
No one can be 100 percent sure of winning!
If MHI advised not to ask for any damages how can anyone justify that MHI is the real plaintiff?
The math does not work.

SS was speculating that the very name of lawsuit will make defendants come running to his feet which did not happen.
Wasting Imam's money SS and his generations will payback till eternity!!!

"Lawyer's Fees and Expenses"

Ya Ali Madad. Who is going to pay Gray's fees and expenses? Will the Jamat pay? Thank You.

@Nagib re: above post of Jan. 8th

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Thank you for sharing so much precious, priceless information with us, Nagib. May Mowla Bapa continue to protect you and may you always do His will. Ameen.
Ya Aly madad.

Leaders and others reading

Leaders and others reading this should and will hopefully send these to their leaders to ask and explain. thanks for sharing.

"We need a Change"

Ya Ali Madad. I have said this before many times, "we need a change" in our community, and it's the job of our leaders. More commitments, more communication, etc. in an "honest" way. Nobody is attacking the leaders, but asking them "for a change".

In any kind of professional/commercial corporation or religious communities, people do ask for "changes/improvements", that does not mean that they are attacking leaders/management, etc. These leaders should sit down with groups and discuss, just don't say "whatever we are doing is right", this is "dictatorship".

I think younger generation (not friends and relatives of leaders), should be given positions, there are lots of them who are very intelligent, because "they are the future leaders" and I am sure they will not accept what's going on now. Thank You.

We now have this forum and

We now have this forum and the vancouverite which we never had. This is one change. Leaders in question have tried and want these shut down and want to take it off line- one of the SS mantras concerned has quoted to control. The Editor of vancouverite even wants to stop anone directly or indirectly questioning the leadership or seeking information. Leaders don't share. And SS we know will do everything to maintain control and the status quo.

So we must not expect change overnight and we must seek and share information with our leaders too

Revolt

I remember reading somewhere about Mawlana Sultan Mohamed Shah saying to leaders that if they do not give up their seats and keep appointing young jamati members there will be revolt?

Anyone recall this? I might have read it on Ilm-net postings.

Re:-"We need a Change"

Agreed 100% when you say:""we need a change" "whatever we are doing is right",These leaders should sit down with groups and discuss, just don't say "whatever we are doing is right", this is "dictatorship".
and "I think younger generation (not friends and relatives of leaders), should be given positions," Yasmin, we have seen years after years this things happening in our Jamat " Its not what you know, its who you know to get the position", But! then this is just a begining, Insha'allah Things will change and Alhumdo'llilah "CHANGE WILL COME FOR GOOD OF THE JAMAT AROUND THE GLOBE SOON VERY SOON BY THE GRACE OF OUR BELOVED HAZAR IMAM."Ameen.

Judge Jury & Executioner !

Editor of Vancouverite says he is " ......suggesting to you (LEADERS) that people who are from our faith who indirectly or directly are suggesting that our leadership at the highest level is concealing a forgery and that a forgery did happen need to be treated as hostile. Deal with them expeditiously and decisively. ... This will not end regardless of how the court rules. This is guerrilla warfare against our leadership from within our faith. - Salim Jiwa.""

Reply by bloglaw

Editor – I agree Leaders should collectively meet to be updated and consider the way forward. They must also bear in mind the the law of the land. Then Leaders should give an incisive report and recommendations to MHI for guidance. Leaders and you as a responsible Journalist should not be, and seen to be judge jury and executioner.

I agree Leaders should also share with and inform the Jamat and respond may be through your forum, or announcements.

I don't agree with you that anyone suggesting or informing our leadership of any wrongdoing should be treated as hostile. In fact they should all be welcomed and the matter fully investigated.

We must all free free to seek information and share information with our Leaders. This is a part of our ethics, our faith and Imam wishes and encourage us to do so. You are sadly saying exactly the opposite and recommending the opposite.

My My Mr Editor. As you know the challenge is whether Imam's directions are and will be followed to the letter and spirit by in this case Dr SS and MM ?

To seek is to be hostile?

This Editor is expressing the views of leaders and suprisingly agrees with them.

So Leaders want to silence anyone. who even makes any suggestions against them, by treating them as hostile. So to them to seek information id to be hostile.

Is this not how the Jamat and local leaders are treated when they share or seek answers, information or farmans. Is this not what we are all doing ? and what Nagib and Alnaz were doing and are doing now through the courts. For example Seeking clarification on the directions of Hazar Imam on 15th October 2010 ?

So Dr SS and MM, are saying through the Editor, that they do not want anyone (Murids-Leaders?) to make any suggestions against them ? If they do they are hostile ?

So Mr Editor, If anyone dares, they are hostile, and so get rid of them, and if they happen to be a leader to appoint a yes robot :) ? Now to take it further if this continues for 15 years what will you have then :) ??

If the Editor is not giving the views of the leaders in question, then he as a journalist he is going against by not advocating freedom of the press, and freedom of expression. That cant be right, right Mr Editor

The Editor is now joining a community newspaper chain - I extend my Best wishes (NO I dont know which and I hope it is not owned by the Leaders in question directly or indirectly. I wont be surprised :)

My MY Mr Editor - What next ?

@Bloglaw

Ya Ali Madad. It is "pathetic", in this century. Even in our community, which is known as "progressive" community. This is just like the regime of "Saddam Hussein's Iraq", when non-one had a voice. Control!!!!!! Thank You.

Some responses developed and

Some responses developed and used by SS MM and some top leaders to stifle enquiry debate and maintain the status quo:

1 Bapa has personally said so
2. take this off line -one to one
3 very confidential and secret don’t share even with your family
4. very sensitive
5. yes we will - and 10 years later – yes we will?

This will now change and we must thank Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa. It is high time and may Mawla guide and protect us Ameen

Why is the Imam NOT supporting SS?

Initially I was I was stunned and in disbelief that AJ and NT had the galls to publicly make allegations of fraud against the Imam's right hand man, appointed directly by him. Then I became very angry at AJ and NT after I heard about the lawsuit and the announcement in April concerning the letters by the Imam and Prince Amyn.

When the Imam came to Toronto in May of 2010, I was confident that the Imam would publicly express to the world that he had full confidence in his right hand man (SS) and that he (SS) and the lawyer and his assistant of Boston had not committed any fraud. I expected the Imam's statement (even without condemning the two) would embarrass these two idiots (and their friends) and their case would fall, and we would move on. Of course, I was hoping that in that public announcement the Imam would remove these two from our jamats.

But we all know, the Imam came and went without one word of support for SS, his right hand man. Also I note that the Imam did not tell the jamats by any farman, Talika, or anything from the Imam to publicly express his support for SS.

I was so stunned that for days I could not think straight. A non-Ismaili co-worker whom I explained my conundrum told me that the silence meant that he (the Imam) did not support his right hand man because the right hand man did do the wrong as alleged. He said that if such serious allegations of fraud are made in a public forum (court and internet), any leader (manager, president, whoever) would be obliged to issue public statements of support. He reminded me (embarrassing me because I do follow politics) that Harper and other such leaders do that all the time - come to the minister's aid by expressing confidence. He in fact told me that he was surprised as to why I could not see it myself and that he had to explain this simple point to me.

That conversation led me to rethink my stand, I went back and read everything printed on the internet sites by these two and also the documents filed by them which (I am sorry to say I did not do so earlier and blindly believed). The cross examination of SS (which if anyone has not done so will regret on the day of judgment) opened my eyes and I instantly knew why our Imam has not supported SS.

I ask all of you today, including the vancouverite.com followers: if one of your siblings publicly said that you forged your father's signature when you did not, would you expect your father to defend you, and help clear your name?

Notably, IF AJ and NT were wrong, I can bet that the Imam would make sure that his comments were on the record to support SS and to show that AJ and NT were wrong. Also the court record of 15th simply says that NT will not maintain allegations of fraud on HH's staff (not officers, SS is not on his staff, see his own cross-examination transcript.) But if they were wrong, why no similar comments by AJ? And no apology to SS who was sitting there by NT or Aj?

I am feeling so bad that I had bad mouthed these two people for many months, and hope to meet them sometime to seek their forgiveness.

But it leaves one unanswered question which I have not seen raised by anyone.

IF SS is the fraudulent guy, why has the Imam not publicly supported AJ and NT (he did in private off the record) and not taken public steps to support the two? I am not well read and not much knowledgeable about the Imam's actions and work? Can some of our readers give comments and explain me why would the Imam not publicly support these two? There must be a reason? But what? (People with opposite views than mine, that SS did not commit the fraud, then the question would become - why is the Imam not supporting him publicly?)

I now strongly feel that Aj and NT are right. But why are they still suffering? This is my new conundrum.

@Conundrum re: Jan. 6th post -- Mubaraki to you!

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Better late than never, dear brother in faith! It is very decent, courageous, and honest of you to make this public confession (that you had never read any of the court documents but still spoke badly of Nagib and Alnaz). Mubaraki to you for coming to the truth!

Many people are still speaking badly of them, alas, and cannot take the trouble to educate themselves by reading the court documents and thus form an informed opinion...It is so sad. That they lack religious knowledge (to the point that they believe blindly the leaders who tell the jamat that it is Hazer Imam who is suing) is one thing (and that is an awfully sad thing too), but that they post comments without even knowing what they are writing!!! Let us pray that all be given a chance to understand their error...
Again, mubaraki to you! Ya Aly madad.

Dr SS has allowed his wordly

Dr SS has allowed his wordly ego and self interest to motivate and take a leading role in his mindset.Some say he is a volunteer and doing so much seva. Yes he has been blessed with financial success and as head of our institutions he effectively manages our institutional multi billion not for profit and for profit conglomerate which adds to giving him and his friends many wordly opportunities which they all enjoy and which most ismailies can only dream of.

MHI reminds us regularly to reflect and remember our human limitations and reminds leaders to serve the jamat selflessly as brothers and sisters. Imam reminds leaders often and has informed the jamat that leaders are not sharing on two occasions. Remember when Imam said so he meant on worldly matters too.

The reason why any leaders hold on to information and don't share that openly and selflessly is always, but always because of some or total self interest. So Leaders are therefore using their position to benefit themselves in many worldly ways, and those the choose to, and or not wanting others to benefit.

When you have such a culture which is driven by such self interest and mind set any change takes time. And at best very difficult and complex materially speaking.

MHI as leaders know, makes them reflect and seemingly agree with them rather than instruct and dictate to them, preferring to appeal to their intellect and their reason.

The above may be a clue to how Imam may drive change going forward having regard to all the wordly complexities.

I hope and pray that Leaders have been and are reflecting on Imams vision farmans guidance and blessings. Equally important they will act and react in the best interest of the Jamat Ameen

Imam is not constrained by our limited thinking

My two cents...

I as an Ismaili believe that Imam is above and beyond everything, including our limited intellect. So, with this belief I think we cannot and should not bind, judge, question or expect what Imam can or cannot do. He is free to do whatever he wishes in this world and the onus is on us to reconcile our faith to his actions and not the other way around.

There are many conflicts in this world where both sides are (partially) right and one cannot pick a side. We as humans can't deal with conflicts until they are resolved to our satisfaction, but remember the Divine is beyond such constraints and limitations.

On a more humanistic level, if two brothers are fighting for what they believe is right, how can father publicly pick a side?

I agree that We as brothers

I agree that We as brothers and sisters should seek advice and guidance from our parents and our Imam and our leaders. We are encouraged by our Imam and them to seek information clarification and knowledge. That is different from questioning or being judgemental. In dealing with conflicts and differences we must and have been guided to do so by dialogue by discussion by understanding and by arbitration with respect.

IMAM IS METICULOUS & NO DICTATOR

Nightmare in Vancouverite says : DO YOU KNOW BLOGLAW? “…AGA KHAN’s Letter to Nagib Tajdin (Jan 24, 2010); “Over some time now, I have viewed with concern the inappropriate and unauthorised private initiative of some spiritual children who print, publish and circulate in various forms the texts of Farmans attributed to me and also to my late grandfather, as well as Talikas and voice recordings. This is a serious and absolutely unacceptable breach of the Imam’s right and responsibility, established over many centuries, to safeguard the integrity of his communications to the Jamat, and which are conveyed in the context of the privileged relationship of the Imam with his murids.” “I, therefore, expect you, and the other murids who are working with you, immediately to take all the necessary measures to recall and to withdraw from circulation your recent publication and the accompanying mp3 device, and cease their printing and distribution. Also, I would like you to deliver all remaining stocks of these materials to the Institute of Ismaili Studies at 210, Euston Road, London NWI 2DA.” “This is a matter that I, like my predecessors as the Imams-of-Their-Time, have and continue to view with the greatest seriousness, and I hope that within 72 hours of your receiving this message, you will confirm to me directly, exceptionally, that you understand both the gravity of this matter, which already had an unfortunate precedent about which you were cautioned, and that it can be closed immediately and definitively.”
QUESTION B-L-O-G-L-A-W: Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa have steadfastly held that the above IMAMAT Communication is forged. Bloglaw, do you too believe what NT and AJ have been drumming since April 2010? “Yes” or “No”.
BLOGLAW REPLIES
Nightmare; If you read Imam’s Farmans and speeches, and have heard or spoken to Dr SS, you will have more questions then you do. Nagib does not believe this letter was written or signed by MHI.
Let us look more closely at the letter, and the questions;

1 Why would Imam write to Nagib and refer to “some” murids and say they are all publishing “various forms of texts” and not say you have published this book of Farmans which I have not authorised and it is my wish that you should stop etc. Has Dr SS informed Imam, or is aware of other Murids and if so why is the letter not addressed to other murids too including especially to Alnaz for example. Dr SS (&MM) knew he was involved but chose not to contact him.
2 Why MHI would refer to his “Grand father” saying about printing of texts, books, various farmans also attributable to my late Great Grandfather. This book does not have Farmans of MSMS, nor is the lawsuit about Farmans of MSMS?. Is it possible that Dr SS has said there are other murids who are publising various forms of texts of Farmans, and if so who are they? and why no letter to them ?
3 The letter then says the Farmans are made to murids in a priviledged context and to preserve the integrity of Farmans. Why would Imam need to say this or do so. What information was Imam given by Dr SS (Remember according to Dr SS Imam only spoke to Dr SS and he thinks to MM directly. So we can conclude there was only one source of information to Imam (Dr SS)
4 Imam then says Imam wishes them to withdraw the RECENT publication from circulation and return remaining books to IIS (not ITREB). Why did not Imam refer to ALL publications since 1992. And add that all those murids who have printed books and print books should all stop too and name them ?
5 Why would then Imam say you must within 72 hour confirm “directly” to me and not give information of how to contact directly knowing all letters go through Dr SS who decides what letter go to the Imam or not. Dr SS of course knew any letter in and out will come through him.
6 The letter then says you were cautioned before. So Dr SS will have informed Imam Nagib was cautioned. Was Imam informed Alnaz was cautioned. Others cautioned ? if so who ? No letter to them ? In the past any caution will have been for earlier books not this one. No cautions on this book before or after by MHI. If cautioned on earlier books, why Imam wishes and talks about only the current book ? Imam we all agree is meticulous. Does this letter reflect that?
7 Imam then says within 72 hours all Imam wishes is to be informed directly exceptionally and personally that Nagib understand the gravity of the situation but not concluding the letter to say what precisely Imam wishes him to confirm beyond that. This is unlike a letter based on all the facts and information which Dr SS either failed to mention or did not know or want to know.
8 The letter is confrontational and dictatorial and autocratic , threatening in nature and content. That is not the nature of MHI. That we now know for sure is the nature of Dr SS and MM.
9 In light of the lawsuit and what we all know now and especially what Dr SS has personally said, and the forensic reports and leaders not following Imams directives or sharing and informing us, that letter raises more questions than gives answers. Especially instead of a 5 minutes meeting there was a 30 minute meeting and directions on 15th October 2010. We have 3 consents and no meetings to conclude as directed by MHI

These questions are not and should not be seen as questioning the Imam but questions arising from a letter and its contents based on information in the lawsuit, and primarily from the Leadership Dr SS (and secondly MM and AB)

Nizar Shivji – you are right 100% and you hit the nail on the head about leadership “…The Ismaili Muslims Institution and its leadership have failed to emerge as a driving force to know the right from the wrong. The internal issues of past 40 years have remained unsolved ”

The key question therefore “What is the solution to address the widening gap ? Should not the Leaders meet them and conclude thios case together.

Bloglaw says:" Especially

Bloglaw says:" Especially instead of a 5 minutes meeting there was a 30 minute meeting"

I guess the Imam gave reason to those saying that there was not one chance in a million that Nagib and Alnaz get 5 minutes meeting with the Imam.

True, they did not get 5 minutes ;-)

More Questions ?

Bloglaw is right, After the letter Dr SS said he spoke to Nagib Tajdin who said this letter is not and cannot be from our Imam. Mr Tajdin requested a meeting with Imam e Zaman. More questions;

Why did Dr SS and MM not meet with other leaders collectively and together to resolve this internally with Mr JIwa and Mr Tajdin before the lawsuit was filed.

Why did not Dr SS and MM meet the top leaders especially after the legal advice and related report was prepared to discuss and get their opinions for the report and its impact (If a report was prepared and presented to Imam e Zaman, and if so who prepared the report, and has Dr SS and MM shared this final report with the leaders ?)

Dr SS said he was the only one who discussed this matter and the lawsuit with MHI and he says he THINKS MHI spoke to MM. Why did he not find out and meet with at least heads of LIF, ITREB IIS and ICAB

Dr SS says he did not discuss this with institutional leaders before the lawsuit was filed and merely breifed them after the lawsuit was filed ? Why did Dr SS not do so ? MM institutionally reports to LIF and Dr SS. Why did not MM also not do so?

The letter and the circumstances raises more questions than answers or solutions..

We hope the Leaders and especially LIF will bring this matter up in their regular meetings or informally, and now intervene and most important share with the Jamat. and all leaders too.

From the meeting on 15

From the meeting on 15 October, I know that Hazar Imam never wrote this letter nor signed the Boston fake. I also believe Mrs Parkes did not do the forgery, she just emailed me the forged letter not knowing that it was forged.

I also know that according to the Imam, there was no infringement as far as the Golden Edition is concerned as I just followed His 1992 instruction to continue publishing. He confirmed that He remembered well the Mehmani of 1992 and the presentation of the Red book as he referred specifically to that book's presentation.

But since the IIS mention comes up, I can also say that Mowlana Hazar Imam never ever mentioned IIS during our meeting.

At some point during a case conference, Protonotary Tabib did an interesting remark, she said the Motions and the trial will not resolve anything. She is right. There is nothing from this case stopping others who are publishing, there is nothing stopping us re-printing all the previous 9 Farman books which we have published in the past and there is nothing stopping the other people who still publish in various languages such as French, Gujrati, English, Urdu, Farsi etc...

During the Motions hearing on December 8th 2010, the judge said that if the Imam wanted his Farmans not to be published or people not to buy the Golden Edition, it would have been easy for him to make a Farman or Talika to this effect. He also said the Imam could have signed an affidavit which he did not do.

And of course any intelligent person will understand that Alnaz who did not even know the Golden Edition was published up to after it was published was falsely accused without any warning, without even a courtesy call from anyone, be it SS, MM or Gray. And unless one believes that Imam would falsely accuse one of His Murid or that the Imam will strip Himself of his infallibility, nothing from the case is credible. It is time that this mockery of our Imam stops immediately.

@Nagib re: above post of Jan. 6th

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Thank you so much for this input, Nagib. I have no doubt it will help those who never read any court documents (but still wrote senseless comments) to understand the truth a little bit.

Alnaz Jiwa

Ah!! my guess was right about the incident with A. Jiwa. When I read this, I said to myself it must be M. Kamadia.

I do not understand what's his problem???? He should practice what he preaches.

Patience and Tolerance

I have always supported Mr Tajdin and Mr Jiwa for their strong beliefs about publishing the Farmans. However I think on this instance Mr Jiwa should have ignored the people who tried to provoke him. Remember the hardship the Imams and Dais had to undergo for our faith. The people who are trying to judge them should also bear in mind that they shouldn't be judging these two murids. The Imam is there to judge all of us.

As per the Pirs Ginan:
Eji Kaam Krodh jena ghat mahein Jaher Jagya
Tene Jitya Jitya Daav Sarve Haarya.

SS andd MM should now be serious to end this matter as it is getting out of control and the leadership will be equally responsible for not being able to resolve this matter amicably.

There is no chance that Dr

There is no chance that Dr SS and MM will resolve this matter amicably, proactively or collaboratively. Let us hope other leaders will intervene and let us pray MHI personally intervenes.

If Alnaz was physically attacked, pushed around, or man handled, he should have reported this to the Volunteers and leaders, including the authorities in view of the earlier incident with Nagib by the same group/individuals and the death threats.

Report to authorities?

Are you suggesting that he wait till the gang removes his batrisi (32 teeth), then report them? I doubt that is a wise advise.

Life long pains with 32 (even 6 or 8) removed, or a broken jaw or hit back and fight off as he did. Yes he is now in trouble with the law (I note that the one who attacked NT in Ottawa has given evidence to the police against AJ).

I think that Heritage should poll:

What would one do between:

Option No 1: trouble with the law, get arrested for a few hours, even IF convicted (no jail time), even if he loses his license as opposed to life long pain (maybe with jaw injured he could not practice in any event); or

No 2: suffer a broken jaw, maybe 6/8 teeth gone, and life long pain and suffering.

Would you accept option no. 2?

Self defence

Option 1 of course if in self defence and especially as the same individuals group were involved in attacking and threatening earlier.

@Imran

I agree with you , However I think Mr Jiwa must ignore people who tries to provoke him in different Jamat Khanas in GTA, I also strongly beleive its the duty of our Jamati Leadership and the Mukhi/Kamadia Sahebs to see that such thing should not take place in Jamat Khanas as every Ismaili has a right to attend the Jamat Khanas and perform in all the Jamati ceremony and rituals like saying Dua with the Jamat, reciting Tasbih and bying Nandis etc. untill the Murid is expelled for some reason from the religion by Hazar Imam. I really feel sorry for Mr.Jiwa and his loving family as certain members of our Jamat and the leaders in our communtiy has made him like an evil member of our Ismaili Jamat, I pray that when so many projects of Hazar Imam is taking place in Canada and around the Globe we all Ismailis acts as brothers and sisters among each other in Jamat Khanas and out side with love, respect, tolerance and Unity with each other to please our beloved Hazar Imam. Ameen,

Need Calm

YAM.

Loosing tamper or getting angry and doing stuffs could weaken defendants' position.

Longer the court review means, court is having problem with the plaintiff request for summary judgment request, which means, the case is going to go for trial, that means more people are going to voice their opinions and going to go against defendants.

Believe me, people opinion

Believe me, peoples' opinion does not weight in the balance when Imam Himself has spoken. What will happen is what Imam wants, regardless of what is decided in Court.

When Imam meets again the defendants, it will put all the dissenting voices to rest.

@ librarian-umed

I agree with you when you say "peoples' opinion does not weight in the balance when Imam Himself has spoken. What will happen is what Imam wants, regardless of what is decided in Court" Yes! its true that the defedants has lost his cool, but then just think after all he is a humanbeing like all of us and not a saint or a sadhu, How long a person can hold his cool when he is not left alone in his own place of worship where he goes to practice his faith? I am very sad about the incident and the person who provoked the defendant to loose his cool in our holy place where every Ismaili goes to practice their faith everyday and our beloved Hazar Imam knows that very well what is going own with his Jamat and the people who are doing this act of evilness in the holy Jamat Khanas, May Mowla guide us and bless us all to live in peace and harmony among each other as a true Momeen and brothers and sisters, Ameen.

“Allah Hafez” OR “Khouda Hafez” = "May God Be Your Protector"

YAM, BLOGLAW! On all my blogs, I always start with greetings “YAM” which means Ya-Ali-Madad (t). I always end with “Allah Hafez” which means “May God be your Protector.” In Arabic, hifz means “protection.” The phrase is a loan word from Persian into Kurdish, Punjabi, Urdu in Pakistan, Hindi in India, and Bengali Languages. Some people prefer to say “Allah Hafez” at the time to see off someone. Mostly used by Urdu and Hindi speaking. “Allah” means God, and “Khouda” means God. The Persian word for God is “Allah Hafez”Courtesy: Wikipedia, CCORAF, and OWS. Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!

"True Spirit of Islam"

Ya Ali Madad. Rowonsadbarg (Tajikistan), Zeenatara and others, thank you for your comments. Nagib's family and Alnaz's family, are going through a very difficult time. They are our Spiritual Brothers and Sisters, and let us just pray for them, this is the "true spirit of Islam", the rest should be left in the hands of Our Beloved Hazar Imam, He will take care of the situation. Thank You. Khuda Hafiz.

Will Leaders never share?

Jenabai in Vancouverite a leader or proxy says : Bloglaw I feel sorry for you … Do you really believe that the Leaders should get engaged with such folks who have no respect for others? The Leaders will NEVER get involved in blogs. They KNOW what their responsibilities are. So if I don’t belong to this camp or the other camp, then I must be a proxy for the Leaders. Well you can say that again if that makes you happy. Leave them alone, please. They are not the Plaintiff, are there? Do you want me say Allah Hafez or Khuda Hafiz? Well take your pick.”

BLOGLAW REPLIES;

1 Yes Leaders should get involved in sharing information and facts with the Jamat and in the media (Blogs are the new media of today and tomorrow) Leaders must also make announcement for the the Jamat and issue directives to Mukhi & Kamadia's. These are a aprt of the outreach programs which has a budget running into millions of dollars as you know. Right ?

2 Who says we or Alnaz and Nagib have no respect for others ? That is frankly your and some of the leaders who you represent, which are baseless and unsubstantiated. If all of us agreed with your instructions and obeyed you without question, you will sing our praises and reward us ! right?

3 If as you say, Leaders know what their responsibilities are; then pray tell us why they are not following Imams Farmans directions and guidance on the issues specifically highlighted since 6 April 2010 and clearly by their own admissions (Dr SS)?

4 You are a leader or a proxy for Leaders because

a. you are generalizing, and NOT giving any reasoned or specific replies, but simply give instructions like the leaders, and;

b. You are also saying behalf of the leaders that they will NEVER get involved in Blogs (directly or indirectly ?). If so why are they doing so through you ? Why are you doing so ? Why did they do so before Oct 2010 ?

5 You repeatedly say we must leave the leaders alone because they are not the plaintiff – Pray tell us through whom (Leaders) are the directions and instructions now routed by MHI. Also are you telling us you know from Dr SS or MM or MHI, that Dr SS and MM are no longer involved in the lawsuit, and there is a new team of leaders who are involved in this lawsuit ? and if so why did Dr SS and MM, come on 15 Oct 2010 at the request of Gray - NOT at the request of Imam, the Court or the defendants ?

Jenabai; You can say Ya Al Madad to me and to all Ismailies. If you prefer you can also Allah Hafiz or Khuda Hafiz to me. Are you suggesting these two greetings specifically because you want to make some inference to Sunni Muslims or suggesting you are a Sunni, or you prefer that greeting, or we should no longer say Ya Ali Madad ? OR are you trying to insult our greeting ?

Where is the pluralism, respect and tolerance Jenabai ?

With Ya Ali Madad.

Well said, Yasmin!

Dear Sister Yasmin,
Your message is so true, so well expressed and your emotions are so touching. If only they would listen. But it seems they have deliberately put blinkers on their eyes and will not rest until they achieve their goal of annihilating Nagib and Alnaz. However we should have no doubt that Mowla will protect them and also soon put an end to this pagan and heathenish behavior, inshallah!

Re: Alnaz Jiwa

I still feel that Alnaz Jiwa's behaviour is not acceptable.
Violence is not accepted. With humility, lots can be accomplished.

I guess when you are

I guess when you are surrounded by a gang that you know is out to either beat you to death or damage you and one of them start beating you, it is very difficult to wait for the time all of them will join.

But you are right our Prophet Jesus said if they slap you on one cheek you should tell them to slap the other cheek so maybe Alnaz could have done this. [If he was a Christian]

Alnaz Jiwa

It seems now there is a growing concern that Alnaz should not have defended himself. Perhaps those who say that he shouldn't have, should try and put themselves in Alnaz's shoes.

From what I hear, Alnaz is a very quiet peaceful person. He goes to many J.K's and it was only at this J.K where M.Kamadia and his gang were verbally bullying him whilst he was standing in the Dua Karavi line, that this altercation took place. Apparently they were taunting Alnaz to leave the J.K,, pushing him and telling him they will "break his batrisi". Alnaz said, if you want to break my batrisi, lets go outside. They didn't go outside. Then again, after nandi was over, Alnaz was provoked again by the chamcho of the gang, punched at least 3 times on the shoulder, and it was then that Alnaz took the swing and left a mark on chamcho showing that he was not going to be intimidated by anyone anymore. The leader of the gang (M.Kamadia)who was standing right behind Alnaz then ran and called the police but he was not man-enough to face Alnaz one-on-one ! This is what I was told by those who were present when this incident took place.

Sad as it may be, this incident is an eye-opener for the leadership to wake up and be true to the oath that they have taken. Perhaps now local leadership will realize that they too have an obligation to fulfill their responsibilities as per the Constitution and not follow the higher leaders blindly.

"Hurting Our Beloved Hazar Imam"

Ya Ali Madad. Recent "sad" incidents took place because of this lawsuit. I have said this before, "THIS LAWSUIT IS BETWEEN OUR BELOVED HAZAR IMAM, NAGIB AND ALNAZ". It is about "publishing of Farmans. Nagib and Alnaz love their Imam.

On Oct. 15, 2010, Hazar Imam talked to these 2 Murids and discussed what to do next. Now, why should some members of the Jamat interfere with Hazar Imam's decisions? Did Hazar Imam want to punish these Murids? No. Did Hazar Imam attack them verbally? No. Did Hazar Imam want to ex-communicate them from the jamat? No. So, why should some of the jamat from other sites and elsewhere want actions taken against these 2 Murids? Are they better then Our Beloved Hazar Imam? These Ismailis have created "divisions" in our Jamat.

It's none of "our business" to be judges as to what should be done to these Murids. We are in one of the "progressive" countries in the world, and we should change our mentalities and not go back to those "dark ages". Leave these 2 Murids alone, and move on, Mowla is dealing with this issue.

Nagib and Alnaz are no making Hazar Imam unhappy, but it's these group of ismailis who are creating tension in the community, are making Hazar Imam unhappy.

At this time, we all should be united, and pray for these 2 Murids. Every religion teaches "love" for each other. Our Beloved Prophet Jesus Christ(peace be upon him) said: "Love thy neighbours, treat others the way you want to be treated".

It is said that, "when somebody falls down, pick them up, even if it is your enemy". Thank You.

@Yasmin

You write: It is about "publishing of Farmans. Nagib and Alnaz love their Imam

It looks like the judge at the 7/8 December Hearing in Toronto understood exactly the case like this as he said to Nagib about the Farmans, according to observers, that "you only wanted to spread the "Good Word" in your community."

In Christianity [The judge said he was Christian and could understand this], this expression is used about spreading the Word of God, the Gospels and the Bible.

"Kalam-E-Imam-E-Zaman" Golden Edition

Ya Ali Madad Umed. You are absolutely right. I have read Farmans from Kalam-e-Imam-e-Zaman, Golden Ediition, 1957-2009, and also heard extracts of Farmans made by Hazar Imam on the MP3. It's a "brilliant" job Nagib has done, especially MP3, a "kindergarten child" to "Jenabai, Kulsumbai and others" can hear Our Beloved Hazar Imam's voice, when he says in one of His Farmans, "When you smile, it makes me happy. Because in Islam a smile is a Blessing from Allah. Therefore, I wish that you smile in your life, that you find happiness", Singapore 2008. I really enjoyed listening and reading these Farmans, and I was "smiling". Thank you Nagib.

You mantioned it right. Many

You mentioned it right. Many of you live in "progressive" countries, but many luck the ethics and jump ahead the Judge to sentence. I think if you change the condition of the people a little bit, you will find no difference between them and theTaliban

Alnaz' action well-justified by Ismaili history

We have all read with dismay what has recently occurred at Unionville JK (Toronto) and would agree that restraint would have been the better way. However I would also like to remind all Ismailis that history shows that our Holy Prophets, Pirs, Dais and even Holy Imams have not shied away from action against intimidation when action was needed to boost the morale of the faithful.

Our Ismaili history is replete with such examples, whether it was Hazrat Daoud vs Goliath, Nabi Muhammad at Battle of Badr, Imam Husayn at Kerbala, Rashid-ud-din Sinan or Hassan bin Sabah or Pir Shams vs. Bahauddin Zakariyah etc etc.

Our brother Alnaz has always showed his Iman in action and not just words. During the time that this case has been launched, he has been threatened many times, taunted also and has shown restraint. During this incident at JK he was verbally and physically assaulted, etc. before he finally defended himself

I believe this time he showed this gang of goons and bullies that he also has the blood of his ancestor Fidais. Alnaz all alone was able to stand against these thugs. With one blow he made them run to the non-Ismaili police for protection. These thugs who profess to be guardians of the faith in fact showed cowardice in the Holy house of Hazar Imam

These are the same thugs who showed cowardice and no shame when they attacked Nagib physically in Ottawa in October 2010

For this reason I salute Alnaz. May he be always guided by our Holy Imam.

Leaders ARE aware

PanjeBhai Vancouverite says Bloglaw: Here you go again – MKs and Councils should do this and do that.Did Alnaz approach them at the time of previous incidences and sought Institutions help in this matter? ...Your friends and you would rather use the heritage platform to put down Imam’s appointees, create division and fuel the fire. Despite their past insults, I’m sure if they genuinely ask the Council for help, you’d be amazed how far the council would go to help a murid. So stop lecturing MHI’s leaders and tell your friends, ......P.S. I have heard that Alnaz attends different JKs, not just one.

BLOGLAW replies:
Panjebhai – Yes Leaders including especially the top two, SS and MM were fully aware – So what did they do or are doing.? Do MK's know ? Do all leaders know ? They have refused to even met Alnaz nor have they issued any directives in this matter to MK’s nor have they updated the Jamat with an announcement . Have they ? Instead they have instructed all MK’s and Leaders not to discuss this lawsuit and related issues. Jena a proxy for leaders instructs commands and wants Leaders not even to be mentioned ?

I agree to disagree that If they approach the leaders the leaders that Dr SS and MM will do anything when they are not following Imam’s Farmans about First. making Farmans available to all Ismailies and Secondly. not meeting murids concluding this case by arbitration, by discussion and by friendship. Thirdly Not following Imam's directions of 15th October 2010, to state a few.

So what if Alnaz attend different JK’s ? I suggest you as a murid and if you are really concerned should speak to those MK's and find out if they are fully aware and given them a copy of their mandate which I have shared. I will not be surprised some MK's will not have a copy or know fully ?

Leader don't share info

My reply to Editor vancouverite:
Editor as a journalist with experience of crime reporting I agree that your thinking is for legal action. If as you say you predicted any likelihood of violence then firstly you should have notified our leaders and secondly also the authorities. In our community's case top leaders were fully aware Of even earlier incidents and death threats and hate mails from the lawsuit and from other leaders. They know the root causes and those who were involved.

The concern is and should be, What did the leaders do to prevent and what are they doing now? has there been an announcement in at least the relevant JK's? I agree with you and Nizar that it is high time they act to inform the Jamat regarding the lawsuit, and especially all Mukhis and kamadia’ s. The national leaders must meet all those involved in the incidents and to make an appropriate announcements globally.

Also SS and MM and or other top leaders should meet Alnaz and Nagib to conclude the only issue remaining and so conclude the lawsuit.

This matter and incidents are in the public domain and also in the hands of the police authorities. They will be investigating and so will mukhi kamadia and leaders. If Leaders cannot prevent such incidents and do not share with and keep the jamat informed, and meet those involved or address the root causes, then I sadly more legal actions and such incidents cannot ruled out in future. Also this will impact on how we as a community are perceived going forward, and sadly this reflect on us and on leaders and on Imam.

maybe SS and MM should consider resigning now?

Leaders need to act proactively and collaboratively if they want to pre- don’t and prevent and more important to ensure decorum respect unity and harmony.

Farmans edited & NOT ALL Shared

Follower in Vancouverite : Bloglaw, your brain works in the following manner: If a man is a human being and a woman is a human being then the man must be a woman. This is how you have interpreted the article where Imam says that Ismailis have access to Farmans in Jamatkhanas. Is there a JK in the world that doesn’t have Farmans available? ……. Bloglaw, not ALL Farmans will be available because IMAM has never approved the release of those Farmans. Bloglaw, now take a hike!
BLOGLAW replies :
1 Does Imam or the Lawsuit say limited or edited or some excerpts of Firmans are available in JK’s ?
2 Are you saying after Imam delivers Farmans and we should not listen read understand and follow them until they are edited or authorised ? Read my comment about the process of annotating again.
3 In all JK's only selected Farmans and edited excerpts are available, and different in different JK's. These Firmans are also not printed of copies available to read ? So are those Firmans also not authorized and should therefore not be read in JK or followed ?
4 Does the following say only limited or selected or some of the Firmans are available in remote locations ? "..ARRANGEMENTS ARE ALSO MADE TO PROVIDE ISOLATED JAMATS, WHO EXPERIENCE DIFFICULTIES ATTENDING JAMATKHANAS, WITH ACCESS TO RELIGIOUS EDUCATION, INCLUDING FIRMANS” (DOES NOT SAY LIMITED FIRMANS OR EXCERPTS OF FIRMANS)
5 Are you saying Jamat and lso BUI (children, scholars and teachers ) should have only limited access to Farmans and so limited and selected guidance which Leaders decide to share? Remember Imam has confirmed in GJ London and again in Singapore leaders do not share.
6 Even edited Firmans read in JK are not availabe in all JK’s ?
Are you also saying ALL guidance and Firmans of MHI should NOT be shared by the leaders in all JK's in all Locations ?
Wake up to 2011 follower :) If you are a follower of all Imams Farmans and guidance ! Maybe what your are writing is not what you really mean to say?

Ismaili Institution should come out in the open with solution

YAM, MR. NEWS EDITOR (Vancouverite)! You have proposed several viable solutions for which you are commended! You had the good fortune to read all the pertaining documentations, some of which or all are published in Vancouverite. It appears none of them are classified. You also had the opportunity to get the first-hand, off the record, the information on this issue. On strength of legitimacy and authenticity, you appear to view the further possibility of escalation of this kind of violence in future. But the restraining orders to enforce the law appears to be little rigid. We all are Ismaili Muslims; therefore, the responsibility lies on every Ismaili Muslim shoulder to uphold the sanctity of Jamatkhana! To chastise legitimate Ismaili Muslims amounts to discrimination; and to disbar them to enjoy the privilege to worship in Jamatkhana would also amount to infringement on their legal rights. The Ismaili Institution should come out in the open with solutions to prevent these kinds of incidents from occurring in future. The time to maintain silence has departed! I am appalled to read about the violation of sanctity of Ismaili Muslims Jamatkhana! We have descended very low in our understanding about the sanctity of Ismaili Muslims Jamatkhana. It is very sad that we were not able to contain the unruly behaviour in the premises of Ismaili Muslims Jamatkhana. It is a sad notch in Ismaili Muslims history! Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!

Reply

Ismailism advocates safeguarding the righteous,and the innocent

YAM, LIBRARIAN UMED! We are on a very critical entrance of injustice, discrimination, and prejudice which is being exercised by Ismaili Muslims Community! This narrow-mindedness, bigotry, and intolerance are not preached in Ismailism. The Ismailism advocates safeguarding the righteous, honourable, and innocent. We do not have to become the prosecutor, the judge and the jury to prosecute the blame worthy! We cannot take legal action and put on trial the culpable. We have to become tolerant during the time of provocation! The ill-treatment, discrimination, and victimisation are not the justifiable answers. The violent behaviour will lead to violence. Any committed assault is punishable by the criminal code. The law enforcement has a zero tolerance on any premeditated and intended misdemeanour. A place of worship deserves respect, high regard, reverence, adoration, and devotion! Its sanctity has to be preserved all the times and under all the circumstances! The Ismaili Muslims Institution cannot take the law on its hands to become the police force but it can enforce the article on misdemeanour in Ismaili Muslims Constitution. The said Institution is not the law enforcement academic to enforce the laws of the country in all Ismaili Muslims Jamatkhana. For a few who are antagonistic, unsympathetic, and intimidating has to bear in their minds, the outcome of their misdemeanour is affecting every Ismaili Muslim. Therefore, they should direct their grievances to appropriate guardian of the law enforcement! Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!

violence and conflict come

violence and conflict come from a clash of ignorances and misunderstandings which also results in intolerance and lack of respect for others.

The solution is for leaders and mukhi and kamadia Sahebs, to share and seek information facts and knowledge of what they know not and share with their Jamats.

@Bloglaw

Ya Ali Madad Bloglaw. Very well said. Your comments on Mukhis/Kamadias Responsibility, I would also add that including Ismaili Leaders' responsibility is to "protect" each an every Ismaili Murid of Our Beloved Hazar Imam. They should not be one-sided. Those "so-called" Ismailis who started the "provocation", should also be punished. As I have said before, these acts are not performed by "civilised" Ismailis but "gundas" (thugs). It is sad that Hazar Imam has to put up with such Murids, who have so much hatred for their own Spiritual Brothers, but He is "ever-loving and merciful". Alnaz and Nagib are not enemies of Hazar Imam, but such Ismailis who are provoking, verbally/physically attacking them are enemies of Hazar Imam. I am sure this kind of act is "not acceptable" by Hazar Imam. Thank You.

Quite right - I wonder how

Quite right - I wonder how many Mukhi and Kamadia's know and have a copy of the directives on their responsibilities. What the Leaders Dr SS and MM have done since April 2010 in informing Mukhi's and Kamadias ?, meeting them and giving directives to MK's in order that the Mukhi's and Kamadia can better carry out their responsibilities to creating more unity and harmony ?

If Murids ask and should their local MK's about the lawsuit and directives from the Leaders. Murids will be quite surprised if not shocked. Please feel free to ask them.

Remember before the lawsuit was filed the first persons the leaders should have contacted and discussed with and involved should have been their local mukhi Saheb's and leadership. This was not done by DSS or MM, let alone even speak to Alnaz before the lawsuit landed on him without even the courtesy of a notice. That is deliberately going against Imams guidance and our ethics ?

Therefore I would not hold my breath expecting Dr SS MM and (those closely involved) to help Alnaz or anyone else who do not agree with them to maintain the status quo they want and have managed to hold on to so far.

Yasmin, . It is very sad and I am very sad to say so. But that is the ground reality.

Mukhi and Kamadia Responsibilites

Regarding the incident in JK with Alnaz . What did the Leaders do or could have done t ?. Did Mukhi and Kamadia Sahebs inform and discuss with the National council of the possible impact etc since April 2010.

Mukhi Sahebans have a responsibility to preempt and in this case were all Mukhi & Kamadia Saheb’s fully informed and did they (especially where Alnaz is known and attends) receive directives from the National council (MM & SS) regarding this lawsuit and its possible impact. If so could this incident have been avoided and what was done to do so by Mukhi and Kamadia Sahebans. Knowing prior to this there were other incident out side JK (This is also their responsibility)

Mukhi and Kamadia Sahebans responsibilities include especially;

“To maintain order, decorum, dignity, solemnity and discipline in JK and at other assemblies gathering and functions they officiate
To CULTIVATE PEACE AND HARMONY amongst members of the Jamat and to bring to the immediate attention of the national council any situation incident or problem (whether within or outside the Jamat) which is LIKELY TO IMPACT or affect the peace and tranquility of the Jamat and to act in accordance with the directives of the National Council” (emphasis supplied)

Dr Sachedina, Why don’t you ?

Follower in Vancouverite says - Bloglaw, I know you can’t take any challenges so I will just quote what the Plaintiff’s Reply to the Statement of Defence states about Farmans being available in Jamatkhanas:

“With respect to paragraphs 24 and 25 of the Defence, the Plaintiff admits that he expects that all Ismailis have access to Farmans. All Ismailis have access to Farmans at the Jamatkhanas. …….”. Bloglaw, the Imam in his submissions has NEVER said that ALL Farmans are available everywhere. Stop torturing everyone with what you see with your ‘inner eyes’!

BLOGLAW REPLIES

I have said that Dr SS and MM on the one hand have confirmed that Imam has directed that all Farmans are available to all murids in all JK’s and even in remote locations. On the other hand they are not providing Farmans as directed by MHI. This is confirmed clearly in the lawsuit

“…Plaintiff admits that he (IMAM) EXPECTS that all Ismailis have access to Farmans. All Ismailis have access to Farmans at the Jamatkhanas…”

Please see also the following quote below

“Plaintiff denies that no access to Farmans is provided at the Jamatkhanas. ARRANGEMENTS ARE ALSO MADE TO PROVIDE ISOLATED JAMATS, WHO EXPERIENCE DIFFICULTIES ATTENDING JAMATKHANAS, WITH ACCESS TO RELIGIOUS EDUCATION, INCLUDING FIRMANS”

This also means Imam has directed that those who cannot attend Jamat Khanna’s must also be given access to copies of Farmans.

Are we all agreed that Imam has decided and confirmed that Farmans must be available in ALL JK’s including in remote locations ?

Are we all also agreed that Leaders in question are not following Imam’s Firmans and directions ?

All Leaders and You should contact and ask Dr SS them why does he and the leaders in question not follow Imam’s Farmans and guidance ?

So are Leaders deliberaltely

So are Leaders deliberately not sharing and giving access and going against Imam's directions and wishes ?

Is this what Imam meant in his GJ Farman in London that Leaders are not sharing Farmans, annotations and other guidance ?

Jamatkhanas

Ya Ali Madad. Jamatkhanas have become for "social gatherings". Our Beloved Sultan Muhammadshah had said that when one goes to Jamatkhana, he/she should talk about "din" and not "duniya", but things are getting out of control especially in some Canadian Jamatkhanas. I understand that Salim Damji's "Colgate Shares" deals were taking place in Jamatkhanas, some Mukhis/Kamadias and some Ismaili leaders were encouraging Jamat to buy these deals.

I have been to some of Jamatkhanas in Toronto, but the worst one is "Don Mills" Jamatkhana. When you enter, you see seniors arguing for seats(chairs), ginans are recited, there is so much noise, you cannot hear ginans. Prayers are over there is lot of noise. Some ladies sit in a circle on the ladies side and are busy talking and children running around. It is so difficult to walk from one end to another. People standing on the way "talking", it is very frustrating. One thinks when you go to Jamatkhana, you feel at peace but sometimes you come home drained out and tired.

Now, there are provocations and fights in Jamatkhanas. Do these Ismailis go to pray in Jamatkhanas or create commotion, hatred and anger for their spiritual brothers and sisters? It is a shame for those whoever created "these divisions" in Ismaili community.

Nagib and Alnaz "are not enemies" of Our Beloved Hazar Imam but those Ismailis who are provoking and verbally/physically attacking them, are enemies of Hazar Imam.

Jamatkhanas are meant to be for "worshiping", and not for all these things I have mentioned. I have also been told that, nandi, shoes, jackets, etc. get stolen. It is very sad that such things are happening in a western country. I am sorry to say but there is "no discipline" in some of our Jamatkhanas.

Are these the" visions/dreams" of Our Beloved Hazar Imam for His Spiritual Children who have moved to western countries? Thank You.

You are so right Yasmin, and

You are so right Yasmin, and it is sad that within the JK environment, Din is driven and motivated by Dunya and not the other way around. There is no harm in socialising and having all kinds of activities and programs. However they should all be driven in in letter and spirit in accordance with Imam's Farmans, guidance and directives.

In this case too I feel that the Leaders and Mukhi Kamadia Sahebs need to address this widening gap in our Khannes and also in Ismaili Centres which address the multifunctional and muti cultural societal needs of the Jamats of today and tomorrow.

Keep your cool

Brother Alnaz, all I can say to you is that no matter how these people try to provoke you, keep your cool, ignore them and walk away. Do not lower yourself to their level. Obviously as I have mentioned before, they have judged you and passed an order of execution which is completely against everything that Hazar Imam stands for so just turn your back, walk away and pray for Hazar Imam to forgive them. I know this is very difficult but when faced with such situations, remember your mulaqat of Oct 15 - how gently and lovingly Imam spoke to you, how He made it clear to you that He wasn't upset with you and remember also that you are amongst the luckiest people in the world, having being granted a whole 30 minutes with the Imam. Nothing else therefore should matter to you and by reacting to provocation you are letting Hazar Imam down.
Also remember Mawlana Sultan Mohamed Shah's firman:
A fellow approached the Imam and asked for punishment for his sins. But he reminded the Imam that he was a friend of the Imam's. The Imam gave him a choice of what kind of punishment he wanted. He chose to be burnt alive in front of the whole uma. This was arranged. People gathered and jeered at him and also spoke against the Imam - how could the Imam burn His own friend?! But all tongues were silenced when the fire refused to harm the friend of the Imam.

So remember this always, Brother Alnaz, and keep your cool. Best wishes to you and your family.

Sister Zeenatara.

@Zeenataara Allahrakhya re: above post (Jan. 1)

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Thank you for sharing that beautiful story of the friend of the Imam, Zeenatara.
Ya Aly madad.

Shocking to hear of such heathenish behaviour

Shocking to hear of such heathenish behaviour, first of all from people who are followers of our beloved Imam, secondly from people who live in one of the most progressive countries in the world. It feels we are back in the dark ages, in those eras when wrongdoers or alleged wrongdoers were stoned to death. What a shame! What a shame for us as Ismailis, what a shame for our Imam whose teachings have apparently fallen on deaf ears, what a shame for the mukhi/kamadia sahebs and the councils and the boards who could not contain this matter and had to have the police involved! Shame, shame, shame!
To Alnaz and Nagib, hang in there and kudos to you for being so brave and keeping your sights on Mowla only.

"Physical Assaults in Jamatkhana"

Ya Ali Madad. It is so sad to read that some ismailis have assaulted Nagib and Alnaz in Jamatkhanas. Our Beloved Hazar Imam has given us so much love, that some of these ismailis have taken it for granted. These ismailis have come to western countries with their mentalities, that they can do whatever they feel like. I remember Hazar Imam saying that "take the best from the west".

The incidents that took place with Nagib and Alnaz are "unislamic, sad and uncivilised". The Mukhis/Kamadias of these Jamatkhanas where these incidents took place and Ismaili leaders, should take immediate action against these "ismaili criminals". They should be issued with "restraining orders", and I think that the Police should also be informed, because both Nagib and Alnaz were "physically assaulted", and be charged. These ismaili criminals should not get away with these crimes that they have committed. Thank You.

Alnaz was attacked when he

Alnaz was attacked when he was leaving Unionville Jamatkhana in Toronto with a Nandi in his hand this week.

The same gang attacked me in Ottawa, Sparks Street where there are CCTV surveillance cameras because of the Court. That was 12 October 2010. Police report was filed.

There is also the component of previous threats and hate emails on me and Alnaz. IP number of originating threats have been traced and remitted to the authorities. I believe by now the names of the people logged on that IP when these messages were posted, have been found. I have to be in Canada for the matter to proceed further but for now I am in Nairobi. Obviously authorities know where to look in case something happens to me or to Alnaz.

When the inquiry ends, all these events will be joined and criminals will be punished according to Canadian laws.

Nagib

Has your local Mukhi or

Has your local Mukhi or Kamadia Sahebs or the Leaders spoken or discussed with Alnaz or Nagib regarding the lawsuit, any directives they have from the top leaders and about what the Jamat are feeling.

Have Mukhi Sahebans reassured the Jamat that it is the Imam's and Leaders wish that these murids are murids and will remain murids and should be treated equally as all other murids. ? If not they would have been excommunicated.

Has Mukhi and Kamadia Sahebans informed the Jamat ?

@Nagib re: above post of Jan. 1st

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Thank you for this update, Nagib. Please hang in there!
Ya Aly madad.

Imam is truthful !

Soulmate in vancouverite says = " Bloglaw: ….. So, if I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that the Imam is being untruthful when He states in His pleadings that He edits the Farmans and those edited Farmans supersede the Oral Farmans. Or, in the alternative, you are suggesting that the Imam’s pleadings are not really His pleadings …”

Reply by Bloglaw
Soulmate - The pleadings also say all farmans are available in all JK’S including in remote locations. That is not in fact true. .
So in your view Is therefore Imam being untruthful ? or which of the pleadings are Imam’s Pleadings and which are not ? If you agree that they are not Imam.s then whose are they Dr SS, & MM

I just read a story in

I just read a story in vancouverite that Alnaz was arrested in JK ? can you find out and it has Anything to do with this lawsuit?

I guess we'll find out once

I guess we'll find out once it is daytime in Toronto. Did this happen yesterday night?

I would not be surprised that it is the same people who provoked, pushed and kicked me in Ottawa on 12 October 2010 [they were also from Toronto]. God, the kind of insults they threw at me for several minutes were made to make one's blood boil. [they were 4 of them, they have been identified to the police]

I'll do a follow up with the police to see if they have linked the death threats [65.92.232.218] to the same people that attacked me in Ottawa and possibly the same who provoked Alnaz if this story is true.

The fact that Vancouverite is publicizing the story so fast, by itself, shows the same people are involved. One of the photo that group took of me in Ottawa was put the same day on Vancouverite and on Mehboob Kamadia's web site so the link is strong.

Why has Vancouverite not given the name of the person who provoked Alnaz? We all know the answer.

Nagib

@Nagib

Ya Ali Madad Nagib. Sorry for the incident that took place in Ottawa on Oct. 12, 2010. It's sad and a "shame" on the actions of the 4 "so-called" Ismailis. This is "unislamic", and "uncivilised". Is this what they do when they go to Jamatkhana, with that type of mentality? Civilised people know that this type of action is performed by "gundas" (thugs). Thank You.

We will know soon as a

We will know soon as a jamat, from Alnaz, Police and Leaders. Vancouverite as usual is giving one side of the story. I hope when the police complete their investigations they will find and charge those who have made death threats and threatened and kicked you too.

I also hope our leaders will investigate to find out who , why and what instigated and motivated this behaviour and action against both you, and this latest incident. I also hope they will take effective and appropriate action internally to stop it happening again.

Editor of vancouverite

Editor of vancouverite before knowing all the facts is commenting on a criminal matter and says " please refrain from commenting on a criminal matter. At the same time I’d request Ismaili authorities in Canada to seek a restraining order preventing the suspect from being in the vicinity of any Ismaili mosque until outstanding issues and this criminal matter are resolved. As well it is the duty of Ismaili leaders to ensure the safety of worshippers and I ask the leadership to act to protect Ismailis from further harm.

Not only is Editor being judgemental and irresponsible as a journalist, but now wants leaders MM and SS in the name of MHI to file another civil lawsuit against Alnaz without even following also the internal processes. My My Mr Editor what next - total autocracy and do as I say not as I do !

lawsuits against?

If leaders who are expressing their views through this Editor will also be trying to file a lawsuit to get a restraining orders, then what next, against those who have issued death threats, and others who do not get along and fight in JK youth? or or who have criminal cases or civil matrimonial cases or restraining orders, where does it stop then.

If it was anyone else but Alnaz would the police have been called and involved ? Have police ever been called? Have there been any physical fights before in or around JK ? These and Many questions will need to be considered by Leaders and this should be resolved internally by arbitration by discussion and by friendship. in any event not before the outcome of the police investigations and processes.

From other sources, we have

From other sources, we have heard that Mehboob Kamadia and his acquaintance insulted and provoked Alnaz who was leaving JK with a plate of Nandi in both hands. These sources are saying Alnaz was hit by Kara in the shoulder and by reaction threw the plate from his hand to this Kara and of course Mehboob Kamadia and his friends became "witness" against Alnaz.

I am not sure Alnaz will comment on this as this is a police matter but we are trying to get hold of the report Nagib gave to the police about how he was provoked and attacked by people from the same gang in Ottawa where he was also insulted, unsuccessfully provoked and attacked. No doubt, they succeeded having Alnaz react to their attack.

But we should all question ourselves who the real criminals are in this matter and what they were trying to achieve?

To Librarian-umed re: Alnaz (Dec. 31)

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Could you please also find out if Alnaz was hurt? Is his shoulder all right? Thank you.
Ya Aly madad.

Injury

Thanks for all well wishes and prayers. Shukr I was not injured in the attack. Obviously as it is now a police matter I will avoid making further comments on this incident.

Dr Sachedina is still there ?

Soulmate in vancouverite : Bloglaw: If Dr. SS is not following the direction of the Imam, why is he still in the service of the Imam and why has he not been replaced by the Imam? Go figure this one out before making any more derogatory comments about him.

Reply by bloglaw : December 30, 2010
Why is Dr SS still the Top Leader AND, Dr SS has since the lawsuit also taken over ITREB until a replacement there, and 2 replacements at IIS ?

Imam knows and knows best. We don't know so far, and will know in time. Maybe there have been some strategic or functional changes at the top, and more changes are ongoing and in the pipeline. Maybe Dr SS has changed some too or forced to change ? ? One small change is the books of the elderly Ismaili world authority & scholar and the other IIS scholar who was present at the Mulakat are now being reviewed by IIS for publication. Authorized recently and personally by Dr SS after 8 years ? Some will wonder why now ? and is it something to do with this lawsuit ?

Dr Sachedina.updated his

Dr Sachedina.updated his profile recently. He says he Head of DJI and is responsible for all Ismaili institutions activities and programs, in all the 16 areas. He is Chairman of Focus globally, Governor of IIS, On AKDN , A member of LIF, and responsible also for interfacing all programs and activities with AKDN and the Ismaili institutions (both central and Apex) including central Asia. He adds he is also at the same time managing and running his " substantial" business interests. He is also the acting Head of ITREB globally untill a replacement is appointed - They all report to him. Wow very Impressive, IF NOT for the many issues and serious widening gaps highlighted and especially what he said & admitted under oath.

" Dr Shafik Sachedina In his capacity as Head of the Department of Jamati Institutions at the Secretariat of His Highness the Aga Khan at Aiglemont in France, Shafik Sachedina is responsible for coordinating the activities and programmes of the Ismaili community's institutions in the 16 principal areas where such institutions exist. Dr Sachedina is also responsible for interfacing with the Aga Khan Development Network programmes and institutions of the Ismaili communities in Central Asia.

Born in Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania in 1950, Dr Sachedina qualified as a dental surgeon in 1975 from Guy's Hospital Medical and Dental School, University of London, and has practised in England for many years. He has also developed substantial entrepreneurial interests in the health-care sector. His work with the Aga Khan and Jamati Institutions is undertaken in a voluntary capacity, in keeping with the community's long-standing tradition of voluntary service.

In addition to being a member of the Institute's (IIS) Board of Governors, Dr Sachedina holds several other positions in the work he undertakes for the Ismaili Imamat and community, including Member of the Aga Khan Development Network (AKDN) Committee, Aiglemont; Chairman of FOCUS Humanitarian Assistance International Co-ordinating Committee; and Member of the Ismaili Leaders' International Forum. Previously, Dr Sachedina has served in many other voluntary capacities, including two consecutive terms as President of the Ismaili Council for the United Kingdom. Last updated: 16/09/2010 14:30" (source IIS Website)

Imam cannot remove Dr.SS until this lawsuit has ended.

Hazar Imam never fires anyone during the tenure of any volunteer.Person may retire or resign of his own will. If he removes him during the lawsuit Jamat may give out judgement prematurely by mere implication. That is not fair to Dr SS.
MHI wants Federal court of Canada to give out judgement no one else.The case must get a fair trial.
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If the defendants win the case, then it is likely Dr SS himself might resign. That will be a different scenario altogather. So the new replacement will recommend the Itreb chair and IIS replacement. May be that is why there is no appointment so far awaiting major transformation??

I am more towards major changes following conclusion of the case. Until then it will be prettymuch status quo.

I have noticed one subtle change in photos of MHI's recent secular visits. One of the Nurani family member is accompanying most of the 2010 MHI's international visits. Dr SS is seen little away from MHI in most photos. Previously he used to be right next to or right behind MHI. The distance is noticeable to me.May be of no significance.

Imam is Merciful and will

Imam is Merciful and will forgive a number of mistakes to anyone who has served him in the past. There are example in Ismaili history. We can not judge a person by the fact that The Imam has retained his services, else we would legimitate the actions of all the Emir Al-Afdals of this word...

Not to persue allegations of forgery.

The longer the judge is taking to give the judgement, the chances for the defendants to win is increasing. I see the case being dismissed for lack of convincing evidence beyond doubt that the case is filed by Mawlana Hazar Imam.

But I certainly urge to Nagib and Alnaz that they must not press charges of forgery against the suspected persons as urged by MHI. I understand you guys have undergone tremendous hardships but still follow only and only what Imam has asked you to do. It is only a faith based speculation of course!

Are Imam's annotations shared ?

Soulmate on vancouverite says on December 27, 2010 - In his letter dated November 1, 1990 addressed to Prothonotary Tabib Alnaz Jiwa had stated that His Highness had told them; “He annotates His Farmans” and that the annotated Farmans could be produced to them if they wanted them. But Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa have produced and distributed the Farmans that were not annotated by the Imam. Where did they get that authority to produce and distribute Farmans that were not annotated by the Imam?

BLOGLAW RESPONSE December 28, 2010 -
Annotating means explanatory notes which Imam makes-gives on some Farmans for Leaders to understand and to share with the Jamat. I dont recall any Farman which is read in JK and there is an explanation based on Imam’s annotations. Have you ?

Imam does not edit Farmans which means Imam does not change them after they are delivered. In any event the authenticity or integrity of Farmans in the book have not been challenged in the lawsuit.

No succession Planning ?

I have never heard any Farmans being read in JK, for example during GJ, followed by Imam's explanatory notes on that Farman. The London farman was edited. Why would Imam then say again in Singapore that Leaders are not sharing his guidance his with the Jamat.

If Leaders in question are not sharing Imam's guidance, it follows that Jamat and the leadership generally are not aware and are receiving edited (Changed - different) versions of Imam's guidance generally.

Which Top Leaders are responsible. DJI and the ITREB Global HQ.They are both controlled and managed by Dr SS. I am also amazed that M Keshavjee left as global head of ITREB over 6 months ago, and has not been replaced so far. Dr SS (DJI) is effective interim Head of ITREB and also head of DJI. MK was a governor and Professor Arkhoon died. We now have 2 IIS governors who have not been replaced. Dr SS, is also a Governor of IIS and its "effective" Head.

According to Imam's directives and institutional policies, succession planning is a critical priority and has been ongoing for the last 9 plus years. The question is;

1 Dr SS cant find the right person/s to replace and or strengthen capacity or
2 Dr SS does not want to find them, or
3 Dr SS can't find those who will help him blindly to maintain the status quo ?

There are excellent Ismaili professional available, both voluntary and non voluntary.

Soulmate's garbage in and out!!!

Soulmate has questioned the authorization of publishing unannotated farmans. Soulmate does NOT have the ability, capacity nor the wisdom required to analyze these things. It is as if he comes across a pregnant woman and questions whether or not she is a virgin. It betrays his gross lack of wisdom, but is it surprising?

The Imam's offer speaks volumes. No doubt about that.

It is like he is giving us annotated farmans (farmans along with his thought process, never before released to anyone, to my knowledge, and the offer is made to us. I am still in disbelief and awed by the offer, of course when I meet him I will ask for these farmans.

He would never make this offer to us IF he considered as his enemies or if he has really himself written the letters, or affirmation, or brought the claim against us.

Although his leaders are accusing us of theft, the imam is responding by offering us keys and security code to his safe.

Offering us the annotated version of the farmans is so huge, but just as a billion muslims who memorize like puppets the whole Quran but cannot 'see' ayats re the present imam.

Similarly soulmates and his chamchas are blind, their inner eyes sealed while we are offered by the Imam his annotated farmans, and soulmate is concerned about authorization of the farmans - a person has graduated as a heart surgeon from Harvard, and soulmate is wondering if that heart surgeon has his high school diploma. Hmmm, the question itself betrays his real worth - garbage in garbage out.

Bloglaw has asked this to be

Bloglaw has asked this to be posted as he has some spam filter issue:

Comment 1
September in Vancouverite says : Bloglaw, Without being entirely certain of how firmans are authorized, once again, It would reckless and unlike MHI to leave it to fallible individuals to put together his Firmans without reviewing them before distribution.

Reply bloglaw :

If you do not know you should feel free to seek information from our Leadership. Maybe you have. When Imam delivers a Farman or a speech to the Jamat or Leaders. There are 2+ recorders attached to the mike system. There is also an independent recording just in case. Then immediately afterwards they are transcribed. With latest technology, during GJ, it is instantaneous. A transcribed copy is handed to Dr SS, Head of ITREB and to MHI (who may or may not annotate or give additional guidance for the Leaders to share with the Jamat). Then usually that day or asap the Farman is read in JK’s .(without the annotations or the related guidance). The Farman is then supposed to be available globally and in all JK’s including in remote locations for Jamat to access and read too (with the annotations)

However If only some excerpts of Farmans or speeches are to be a part of a publication then of course they need to be reviewed for context clarity and messages etc first by IIS. then ITREB and then by MHI. This is what Dr SS may have been referring to when he said IIS are in the process of printing Farmans which has been agreed by MHI in principle.

Comment No 2

Haji in vancouverite says –“Bloglaw, any Imamat publication (Farmans) that has not been approved by H.H. The Aga Khan and officially distributed by the Imamat Institutions, are NOT VALID, ……… who the hell is NT to tell the ismailies world-wide that his (illegal) published books are truly authentic. He can take his (illegal) books to his grave, but spare us ismailies, …. by pretending that you are looking after the originality of the Ismaili Faith. We DON’T NEED YOU OR YOUR GROUP. We have Hazar Imam to take care of it. Can you not get this message through your head!!! Or are you truly a dummkopf”

Reply by bloglaw

Imam (who you confirm is the real Plaintiff), says all Farmans are available in all JK’s including in remote locations (with his annotations ?). However the truth is they are still not available ? The Leader who should make them available is DR SS as head of DJI (and now also ITREB)

Therefore, In your opinion and to be fair does ” WE DONT NEED YOU OR YOUR GROUP”" apply to DR SS too? J.

NT, Imam and DR SS are all effectively agreeing Farmans in the book are authentic because they are not challenging their authenticity or integrity in this lawsuit !

Also Haji, with respect, Farmans are valid immediately as they are Delivered by MHI. They are not Valid after they are edited by Leaders, or when published - read in JK. Imam in most Farmans says we must take with us Imam’s blessings and messages to our Families and to our Jamats. So should we wait for (edited) Farmans before we give Mubaraki and we share Imam’s Farman with love and happiness Of course we don’t and should not wait..

@Alnaz J

Excellent Reply.

Annotate means ....

Soulmate says : Bloglaw: I knew well in advance that you will land in quicksand and there will be no escape for you. The Imam Himself says that He annotates His Farmans but you go off on a tangent saying that is not so. The Imam spells it out in the court documents that He edits His Farmans and His edited Farmans superced the Oral Farmans but you say that He does not edit His Farmans. So what you are really saying is that the Imam is wrong and you are right; correct? Sorry, I can not ask you to take a hike because you have landed in quick sand; so stay there!

Reply by bloglaw

Hello ! – Please read the meaning and what Imam means when Imam personally said on 15 Oct that Imam “annotates”, (which is totally different to the meaning of “Edits”)

ANNOTATE – verb Definition: WRITE EXPLANATORY NOTES – EXPLANATION – MAKE A STATEMENT OF OPINION

EDIT – verb REWRITE, CHANGE, REFINE CENSOR, ABRIDGE

Soulmate - I am afraid you have proved beyond any reasonable doubt that Alnaz J is right.

Soulmate ill versed in meanings.........

When Soulmate was a student, a close friend of mine did his homework for him as he (Soulmate) could not do so when at school. Even then he had trouble studying, so PLEASE (please) be kind on him, he does not know the meanings of various words - had he studied well, he might not be in trouble understanding words and their meanings. No wonder he is so lost in these matters. If he can't get right or becomes confused with such words as annotate or editing, how can we expect him to do well in intricate and other serious matters.

SEEK KNOWLEDGE IS AN ACT OF FAITH

In the last 5 years MHI has specifically said the following : That our Tariqah is firstly that of peace and secondly of wisdom & knowledge. We must seek and not reject knowledge or wisdom. They are a part of our daily lives. We must seek knowledge for good purposes and use it for benefit of all. We must share knowledge amongst ourselves. Quran says we must seek knowledge to also better understand creation. A Hadith which says seek knowledge even if it is in China (i.e. Far or difficult to access)

mhi SAYS We must seek to better serve people. searching for knowledge in our Tariqah is a reflection of our faith. If you seek knowledge and use it properly, it is an act of faith (MHI has reassured us). we are all seeking and sharing knowledge and in doing so we are following Imam's guidance.Imam says knowledge was different 50 yeas ago and has expanded and is expanding quickly and enormously. Imam says we also need to know how to use and manage knowledge. Imam has also said that Our institutions and Leaders are there to serve the Jamat and to help us to know and to understand. Imam also said in 2008, we must indulge (seek share and discuss) in knowledge and use it for good purposes. (2005 and 2008).

Your Mukhi Saheb and ITREB will and should be very happy to share these Farmans with any murid who is interested, and tto help them understand and know what they know not.

So there is every reason to for us all to seek and share knowledge and wisdom. (Not seeking knowledge is rejecting knowledge and wisdom)

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