Defenses Glorifying the Aga Khan filed in federal Court - 2010-04-29
In a surprisingly rapid twist of events, both Mr Tajdin and Mr Jiwa have filed their respective statements of Defense this 29th of April 2010. They affirm to being devoted followers who will unconditionally abide by the wishes of the Aga Khan, whom they glorify in their defense.
Mr Tajdin declares that:
He has not been served yet but the ethics imposed upon him by his faith demands that he should not keep in ignorance the public by being silent on the issue and should clarify all of the facts, pertaining to this lawsuit, of which he is aware.
He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of his wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.
He has been printing Farman books since 1992 with approval and instructions from the Imam received on August 15, 1992 in Montreal.
He has not received any communication from the Imam from 1992 to 2009 instructing him to stop publication.
He cannot stop publication without instruction from the Imam as this would be a breach of his oath of allegiance to the Imam.
All Farman publications were financial deficit projects done as a volunteer service and large numbers of books were distributed free of charge.
Farman sharing is a historic Ismaili tradition which still continues today.
The current Ismaili Constitution does not restrict the right to publish Farmans
Mr Tajdin concludes that:
He has no choice but to await further direct instructions from the Imam.
He reaffirms his allegiance to the Aga Khan, is willing to submit to any of His wishes, and is ready to surrender himself and all his possessions to the Imam.
Mr Jiwa states that:
"This action does not appear to have been authorized personally by the Aga Khan .."
"In distributing Farman books obtained from Tajdin to other Ismailis, he has not violated either the Ismaili Constitution or any Farmans"
He has not violated the copyright act as "Tajdin was given express authority by the Imam" and regardless of the fact that "the limitations period provided for by the Copyright Act also bars this action as the books containing the Farmans were commenced publication in the year 1992", he will still do whatever the Imam tells him to do.
Mr Jiwa clarifies finances:
He "obtains these books for C$50.00 from Tajdin and sells it for C$50.00, without any profit.
"All monies received by him from the sale of (other) books after 2005 were delivered to the Jamatkhanas"
Mr Jiwa further states that:
"If the Imam edited the Farman before releasing to the Jamats, in effect he is superceding the Farman he made orally previously."
He "unconditionally reconfirms his oath of allegiance to his Imam" and "if the Imam does not desire his Farman books to be distributed to the Jamats (...) this defendant will submit to the instructions of His Imam without reservation whatsoever"
Replies From the Plaintiff are due within 10 days, and Affidavits of Documents are due 30 days later.
[Update from May 6: Ogilvy Renault, the law firm which launched the case has asked for an extension of 15 days to reply to the Defense. They claim delays due to breakdown of email servers, blackberry communication, travel of senior lawyer, time difference with Paris etc...The more delays in this file, the more damage it creates to the reputation of the Ismaili community, the Imam and the defendants. It is to the advantage of all parties that this case be withdrawn from the courts.]
[Update from June 22: Defendants have filed a Motion for summary Judgement to have the case dismissed.]
[Update from September 5:
Online Book that gathers court materials as well as articles that are currently available for the ongoing 2010 Lawsuit:
Copyright Lawsuit 2010: Online Book of All available Materials
News on cross-examinations:
Copyright Lawsuit: CROSS_EXAMINATIONS Table of Contents - 2010-09-04
Latest Development
Copyright Lawsuit: Imam Appears for Discovery and Ends the Case - 2010-10-15
As users are asking to read the letters from Nagib and Alnaz on the court docket, the latest have been attached on the following link:
A. Various Court Filings
Revised Factums have been posted Here:
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment : Plaintiffs Revised Combined Factums of Reply and of Motion
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment: Defendants' Revised Factums of Motion and of Reply
There has been proven fraud in the recent past in the Aga Khan's domain by the Aga Khan's agents:
Aga Khan Lawsuit: Fraud at Aga Khan Studs - 2000-02-22
2011-05-25: A Jamati Member who has never met the Defendants volunteered as his brotherly duty to pay the $30,000 that was demanded in the Plaintiff''s submissions and that was accordingly ordered by the judge.
Read the full details of the $30,000 payment directly to H.H. The Aga Khan.
2011-06-16: The Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law against the Summary Judgment has been filed in court by the defendants on June 16th, 2011.
Read the Full Appeal Memorandum of Fact and Law
Link to Court Docket Case T-514-10
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-60-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-59-11
Link to Court Docket Appeal A-156-13
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The difference between the 2 cases
The comforting part in copyright infringement case is it deals with the "Din" more than "Duniya" and I am anticipating
MHI's spiritual authority to come into play which was not needed in the above mentioned stud case which was purely "Duniyavi" matter.
I have faith very much in the spiritual component. Inshallah these 2 murids will be helped by their Murshid.
Allahtalla differentiate between "believers" and "acceptors"
YAM, MR. BLOGLAW! Al Waezeen Abu Ali is a man of unique and exceptional personality! His strong belief in Ismailism cannot be compared and measured to any standard of some books which have come into market on Ismailism. Al Waezeen Abu Ali was a protagonist of impassioned and passionate aficionado of Ismailism.
The symbolic of Mehmani and its relevance is celebrated in everyday life of an Ismaili Muslim. Respectively it is beneficial manifestly in both lives of an Ismaili Muslim – secularly and spiritually. Palpably the Mehmani is considered and significantly in contemplation of inner thoughts of an Ismaili Muslim to seek Almighty Allah’s grace and blessing on all felicitous occasions.
Mawlana Hazar Imam is the spiritual father of all Ismaili Muslims and He is also our Imam of the time. We seek His loving blessing via Mehmani, Dua, Imam’s Noorani Deedar, and in many other religious ceremonies. Mawlana Hazar Imam is omnipotence, and philanthropic. Our Tariquah is practiced for innumerable years, which goes way back to inception of Ismailism.
I agree with Alnaz (not verified, dated December 09, 2010, who says: Quote, In the Quran, Allahtalla had differentiated between "believers" and "acceptors" of Islam, and in the Quran only certain Ayats are addressed to the believers which we Ismailis abide by in letter and in spirit. For those who have no faith, firstly will not read; secondly, even if read or heard will not enter the "heart," unquote. I am praying that this case is settled by amicably. With my affectionate prayers for all my Ismaili Muslims brethren, and with Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!
News: The hearing is closed
The hearing is closed and the judgment will come soon we hope. Lets see what happens. A lot of issues were discussed in front of the judge and normally Motions would pass if the matter is very simple. By complicating Motions, the outcome can be that both motions are dismissed and a mini-trial is possible.
Gray pleaded so many thing in contradiction of what the Imam instructed on 15 October. I could not believe it. For example, Gray completely disregarded Hazar Imam's statement from that day that he remembered the instruction given to us about continuing the publications of Farman, Gray pleaded the opposite.
Gray admitted that what they were seeking was a declaration that we have infringed. It was apparent that this was more a vendetta.
Nagib
The case will go for trial it seems .
From what I gather from the "Vancouverite's version of court proceedings and judge's remarks , judge may not be sympathetic to the defendants. Summary judgement seems unlikely for either side.Trial seems very likely.
@Nagib re: above post of Dec. 9th
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Thank you for updating us, Nagib.
Indeed, for the past few weeks, it has been utterly clear that the whole matter is nothing but seeking a revenge. "Eeloko nè kètli adèkhay hassè, ya Mowla !" I hope that the judge could see that... Madad, Mowla, madad.
If this period of waiting is so hard for us, the readers and the "carers" (forgive the newly invented word!), how much harder it must be for you, Nagib, Alnaz, and your families...
Thank God we have our tasbihs to give us solace.
Ya Aly madad.
Normally how long for the judgement?
Any idea how long does the judge take normally?
Judgment, how long...
There is no fixed time, I expect the judge to issue it in a few weeks, maybe four, or so.
Thank you Nagib and Alnaz
We continue to pray. Ameen
News from the case: Massive fraud?
As Gray had been trying to tell the judge that it is not conceivable that there was massive fraud against the Aga Khan by those who started the lawsuit, Alnaz, at the end of his pleadings, presented a case from 2000 where it has happened before: that there had indeed been fraud in the Aga Khan's domain by the Aga Khan's agents. See link below:
Aga Khan Lawsuit: Fraud at Aga Khan Studs - 2000-02-22
Enjoy Surfing Your Heritage!
FRAUD in 1998 at Aga Khan Studs: Extracts
Summary and extracts showing:
- How a document forgery was perpetrated by a high ranking agent of the Aga Khan to cover up that agent's own possible involvement in a large fraud.
- How this forgery was done on behalf of the Aga Khan and His Societe Civile
- How this agent attempted to mislead the Irish High Court in order to prejudice it and divert blame to a secretary
- How this nevertheless became a very long court battle that was made to look like a former secretary was conducting a lawsuit against the Aga Khan.
Fraud in Aga Khan lawsuit at Irish Studs in 1998: Explanations and Extracts - 2010-12-10
Enjoy Surfing Your Heritage!
Thank you and Nagib. The
Thank you and Nagib. The relevant sentence in that lawsuit is "In his affidavit, the Aga denied having given any instructions for the termination of Charlton's employment "
It seems highly improbable that the only one issue remianing of whether there was Infringement will be settled by agreement as directed by Hazar Imam.
So the lawsuit is likely to go on
TAJDIN & JIWA DESERVE OUR THANKS@Abdul
Very well said, I hope that we'll have some news about what happened today...
@librarian Umed
Please can you give some update on what happened in the court on 7th dec?
It's still going...
It is a 2-day motion, so it is still going on right now.
We hear that everyone has spoken once already,
Oral representations should be over after closing summations this afternoon.
Enjoy Surfing Your Heritage!
Will you kindly provide an
Will you kindly provide an update whenever you get a chance about the happenings during the hearings?
Significance of Mehmani ?
Editor of Vancouverite says Al Waezeens like AbuAli sometimes do not comprehend the significance of Mehmani ? “ When good people like Abu Ali talk about the significance of symbolic offerings they are generally talking to people who use these occasions for appropriate purposes. Good people such as Abu Ali sometimes do not comprehend how such significant gestures, one-to-one occasions, can be used for corporate business. ………. So let’s make one thing clear. You Bloglaw, are a blatantly shameless protagonist of violation of good faith…”
Bloglaw replies : So Mr Editor are you suggesting Imam does not comprehend the significance too? What about Mehmani when someone start a business for blessings and Baraka (Barkat). What about mehmani for man murad in presence of Imam and also in JK ?. Your response suggests you have not fully understood what Mehmani means and how important it is for us as Ismailies. I suggest you speak to one of our Scholars and or Waezeens regarding our rites and ceremonies, who can deal with all your questions intellectually and referencing them to related resources and material so you can have a full understanding of mehmani. Maybe you should also read Abu Ali's Article and AL Waez Kamaluddin's on rites and ceremonies. ITREB will also have articles you can read. Maybe you should also one of Allama Nasiruddin Hunzia’s book on this subject too. You will find all Al Waezeens like Abu Ali and our Scholars understand the significance of mehmani and Farmans that go or are delivered with them.
I am praying that this case is settled by agreement today.
Vancourite and Mehmani !!
Bloglaw, Salim Jiwa (editor) had confirmed to me in an earlier telephone conversation that he knows nothing about our Jamati affairs, and that for a long time he has not participated in same. For such people these (mehmanis, duas, Imam's reach, etc.) are hard concepts to believe in and/or to understand. In the Quran, Allahtalla had differentiated between "believers" and "acceptors" of Islam, and in the Quran only certain Ayats are addressed to the believers which we Ismailis abide by in letter and in spirit.
For those who have no faith, firstly will not read, secondly, even if read or heard will not enter the "heart".
Paragon of Love of God and Patience.
Here is a beautiful story, though it is from a different faith, telling us how much we should love our Maula.
This event is taken from unabridged Ramayana. It was in the form of a story, a part of my Hindi syllabus when I was a high school student at India. The event is related to 7th Avatar of lord Vishnu, namely Ram. The main story is a very long one but only a gist of which has been provided here.
Shabari, 13, a child of low cast Bhill community, was by nature had a religious inclination. She had been a witness to a many irreligious acts of her parents, particularly his father. So one day, she left home for forest with the hope that she could find a shelter in an Ashram of a saint. After few days of journey and hungry, she reached the Ashram of a prominent saint, Matang, who was kind enough to provide her shelter in his Ashram where Shabri started serving him. The saint observed that Shabri has all the characteristics required of an ardent follower of lord Vishnu, and accordingly, instead of imparting theoretical knowledge of scriptures, she was given practical religious knowledge, particularly devotion and love toward Vishnu.
One day, some years later, when she was of middle age, the saint announced pleasant news to her: "Lord Vishnu has taken Avatar in the palace of king Dasharath and his name is Ram. I would like to have his Darshan but I would not live long. But I see in you such love, devotion and Bhakti that he himself will visit you one day to bestow you with his Darshan. Your sincere love will bring him here." After few days the saint expired.
Due to a devious plot set by his step mother, and also to save the honor of his father, Ram willingly abandoned his rights to Ayodthya's throne. He along with his wife and his brother Laxaman left the kingdom and proceeded to forest to spend next fourteen years there.
Each day, Shabari would go to the jungle early in the morning and used to pluck juicy, fresh berry fruits so that she could offer them to Lord Ram, in case he arrives unexpectedly. To ensure that they are all sweet, she would taste each and every berry retaining only the sweet ones and discarding the bitter ones. She never realized that she should not taste them before they were offered (Mehmani?) to her Lord. It is the pattern or custom of almighty that He always overlooks all such faults and mistakes that one commits, arising out of pure Love of Him and which are not the intentions of His devotees. Perhaps it was a part of his Leela(લીલા). As per her usual routine, she would use to eagerly anticipate Ram’s arrival each day. Many years passed; she was now very old woman.
One noon, Shabari saw two men and a woman approaching the Ashram. She instantly recognizes her lord Ram as a taller man; she became ecstatic and at their arrival she said, "O my Lord, I do not have anything to offer other than my heart, but here are some berries from a poor devotee of yours. May it please you.”
When Ram started eating berries, Lakshmana, the younger brother of Ram, raised the apprehension that berries had already been tasted and hence unworthy of eating. To this Ram said, "Many types of food I tasted so far nothing could equal these berry fruits, not even foods of our palace." Saying this, he ate all the berries, and at the same time occasionally smiling at her, indicating that he was appreciating and thanking her food.
Many yogis wanted Ram to visit their ashrams, but he went only to Shabari's ashram. After he had eaten all the berries, Ram told Shabari, "I have come straight to your Ashram only, ignoring all the invitations I had from many many yogis and saints. Over powered by sentiment she said, "O my lord, they are all exalted and erudite yogis waiting for Your darshan, I am ugly, old and low cast woman having no knowledge of any scriptures, and hence I am not worthy of your so much attention."
Ram replied, “ A person's caste, colour, physical experience or his knowledge is irrelevant to me. They are all worldly things. What is important is recognition of my reality. There are many people in the kingdom who respect and love me as a prince, but none knows my reality, who I am. Erudite, learned religious persons please me, but nothing excels pure love of my devotee who knows my real identity. Many people pray to Lord Vishnu, but don't know who Vishnu is."
"All saints have their own selfish desires and motives behind their Bhakti, their affection, their prayers, their love. Some of them are after their names, some for fame, some want heaven, some salvation (Mox,મોક્ષ). Hardly anyone loves me for shake of love without any selfish motive. I like those who totally surrender to me and me only with full faith and devotion. They are the best among all the people, however, they are very rare .O Shabari, but you are one of them."
"In your case, O Shabari, your devotion and love is pure, you have no selfish desire or motive. You love me for shake of love. Your aim and goal is I and I only. Because of your pure love, spiritually, I was always with you, and now I am with you physically."
After this, the trio left the Ashram.
It is said that as soon as the trio left the Ashram, Shabri left this world too to meet his lord Vishnu in the next world.
Reply to Kasamali
Brother Kasamali,
You have brought tears to my eyes. Of course I have heard this story of Shabri from my mother, but you have indeed articulated it so well. True love for the Imam is such a simple concept, and yet so difficult to achieve, and so rare as Lord Ram puts it. It is so easy to let self agendas prevail and even easier to confuse these with love. How can someone who truly loves the Imam tolerate even for a second anybody behaving insultingly in the Imam's presence? But yet, majority are still quiet because their self agenda of shielding themselves from retaliation has prevailed over love...
Anyway I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this touching reminder of true love.
Sister Zeenatara.
@Kasamali
beautiful story!
Thanks for sharing.
I think Mawla came to Canada on oct 15th for the 2 defendants.
Rest all was make believe.
Your interest in my blog is appreciated!
YAM, MR. MOMIN, (United Arab Emirates). Dated: December 05, 2010.
Whatever I have mollycoddle in my expression in both websites – the Vancouverite and the Ismaili.Net, I never deceived any persons who have expressed on these websites. I have honestly expressed whatever I felt was feasible, acceptable, and adequate to make my views known to all readers so that the provocation, appeasements, and premeditated charges would not embarrass me! I am very contented with what I have and what I have lost. Both the Vancouverite and the Ismaili.Net have been kind to me to accept my blogs, of course, once in awhile my blogs did not merit the space but this is not the criticism but appreciation for their readiness to lend to me a hand to caution to me to rethink and have second thoughts on my views and thoughts. Finally, your interest in my blog is appreciated! Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!
TAJDIN & JIWA DESERVE OUR THANKS
We should all wish Mr. Tajdin and Mr Jiwa good luck tomorrow.
Throughout history, when simple people have risen up against unfairness, it has always been a David and Goliath struggle. In this situation, besides absolute power, there are the additional factors of fraud, deceit, betrayal and blackmail. Whilst we can admire the Defendants faith in the Canadian justice system, we should be under no illusion about their chances of success. There are very few judges in this country who would not be influenced by the prestige of Mowla’s name, particularly if they were unaware that it was been misused.
However, one thing is for sure. Nagib and Alnaz have set in motion the forces of change and win or lose tomorrow, they will have achieved the objective of opening up this community for scrutiny. There are many words thrown around about the Ismaili leadership, such as progressive, tolerant, pluralist, constitutional etc. Now we have clear picture as to how these lofty concepts are actually practised in our jamaat.
The results of the past few months are not very pretty. Naive momims, who have tried to test these concepts have been publicly condemned without a chance to explain themselves and death threats have been made against them; top leaders have been found to be so inept and clueless that they are an embarrassment to the name of the community and so-called educated Ismailis (including a self-styled “scholar” and an “experienced” “journalist) have shown themselves to be no better than the Taleban.
And most of the jamaat leadership has been exposed as so weak, that when they have to face some tough questions about their community affairs, they would rather bury their heads in the sand. Yet these are the same people, who will make jokes and condemn the Catholics priests or Sunni mullahs for their shortcomings. My, such hypocrisy!!
But all this is out in the open for the world to see.
Try as they can, they will not be able to “put the genie back into the bottle”. Young Ismails are already asking questions to Mukhis. The women (who generally tend to be more introspective) have started questioning the values systems they have been imparting on their children since immigrating here. The supreme power of money in Ismaili society; the "chamchagiri" and recycling of leaders; the deference to “saber” when it comes to bad leadership and the scramble for credit for even the most mediocre achievements. The future of this community is with the young. So far they were not even interested in coming to the JK. Now they want answers and change !
Mr. Tajdin and Mr. Jiwa deserve our thanks for waking us out of our cynicism and slumber-they have already won the Agakhan Lawsuit in the court of intelligent Ismaili opinion.
Leaders appointed by Hazar Imam
Ya Ali Madad. I have said this before that we need to have lots of "changes" in our community, which our leaders are responible for, e.g. more communications with Jamat, trust, etc. Lot of Ismailis have brought this issue to their attention, and I personally feel that the matter should now be left in the hands of Our Beloved Hazar Imam.
I recall, my father once telling me that, a Murid who was not happy with a particular leader, brought the matter to the attention of Hazar Imam. Hazar Imam told the Murid that he would look into the matter. Mowla also said to him that this particular leader's "seva" was from the time of Hazrat Ali.
We human beings can forget somebody's "ahesan", but Our Mowla will never forget, despite what he has to go through. Thank you.
Dr SS has not replied to Bloglaw
@ Alibhai Thank you. I have not received an acknowledgement or a reply to the open letter from Dr. Sachedina. Maybe because I requested him to share that information with other Leaders and did not request him to respond to me. But Judging by his reply to Zeenat, we cannot be certain if he has instead not sent a similar letter to all leaders.
@ our parents : It is wonderful to meet and spend time with small groups of elderly parents and talk not to them, not about them, but with them about religious & material values, needs and changes. One of Imam’s GJ goals is our elderly parents. I (Jamat) don’t get information updates on this or see pictures & events/projects for them in the official website and on how is TKN doing. On TKN 3 years on, there have been software matching challenges (why?) and it is systemically flawed because it allows those who request to then choose if or not. Not to say this is not working but can do better and more.
@ BUI; Remembering we are all born equal and pure in mind and body. We then begin to learn about right and wrong, love and hate, respect and intolerance. charity and business, faith & family values, and everything else. In our formative years we learn from mainly our parents and teachers. Just Imagine, how far further we would be as a community if top priority was given by our top leader as directed by Hazar Imam to an inclusive BUI and early years programs. @ Yasmin you are so right our values and ethics are a reflection of what we say and do. I hope and will look forward to meeting you too one day.
@ Professional; You are right in what you say about professionals and the leaders in question. Not all leaders and remembering also the leaders in question have have worked hard and contributed to progress. There are some excellent scholars and intellectuals who can engage creatively and effectively for specifically the professionals and the intellectuals. We have an institutional culture of command and control which in reality does not welcome and encourage enquiry and critique. Professionals mean more enquiry about the past, the root causes and the needs. Only by critiquing and learning from the past can we seize the future more successfully. Alibhai I am a professional and I hope we will meet and share more.
@ Ground realities ; Mr Shivji like most was going through a learning curve regarding the unbelievable gap between what Imam wishes and the reality on the ground. He also likes to please everyone and there has been no platform such as this before. Who would have believed our top leader can be arrogant, & does not follow Imam’s farmans and at best is deliberately giving the wrong information to the Imam and to leaders. For example If he with MM and A Lakhani had said at the end of march 2010 to Hazar Imam “Khudavand, we as leaders have not spoken to Alnaz Jiwa as yet and the Jamat do not have access to Farmans in all JK’s or in all remote locations, and we have not used our internal conciliation process etc, We seek your guidance on what we should do and if the lawsuit should still be filed “ Does anyone believe Imam would have even considered a lawsuit ? In fact he would be very angry and upset that the Leaders should even ask him to repeat his Farmans on conciliation and to leaders to resolve internally and not broadcast differences.(Assuming for one moment Imam authorized the Lawsuit).
@ Dr SS ; Now Dr SS says to Zeenat he is following Imam’s wishes and his conscientious is clear, instead of explaining and apologising regarding her specific concerns of for example saying Imam thinks in French and speaks in English which is the reason to edit Farmans and Imam has said on 15 Oct 2010, Imam does not edit but annotates Farmans. So why edit and remove leaders sections in the London and Singapore GJ Farmans.
I hope and continue to pray that this lawsuit is settled tomorrow and by agreement. Ameen.
Agree with Bloglaw and Murid
You are correct, Brother Bloglaw, and I hope all our comments and wishes will be fulfilled by Mowla.
Ameen.
At the same time, I would pray that they are having an effect on Dr SS and other leaders to the extent that henceforth they will show adab in the presence of the Imam and also treat the jamat with more respect by readily sharing with us our Imam's exact words and thoughts (without any editing), inshallah.
Take care, Brother Bloglaw and all my other brothers and sisters on this site, and let us all pray together fervently for the dawn of a new era.
With love,
Sister Zeenatara.
Ameen Ameen
Ameen Ameen
A challenge to Dr. Sachedina
Dear Doctor:
Please do not remain under misunderstanding (illusion) that people and other leaders like you or respects you. Some of them do so because you are holding a very important post. Do you want to gauge your popularity? If yes, resign from the post and soon you will see that everyone including even Mr.Bhaloo, Mr. Manji or Vancouverite editor will start keeping distance from you, as soon as they come to know that you are resigning.
HI’s Advice
Two extra rich and very prominent Ismaili industrialist brothers in Pakistan quarreled among themselves. The situation got so worsened that son of the elder brother drew a gun at his uncle. Both brothers were very influential as well as heads of respective central AK institution and hence had contacts with HI too. Muala advised them not to approach court to settle the dispute. Since both brothers were good Ismailis, they followed Maula’s advice.
Wether they have settled their all the matters or not is not known, but none of them went to the court.
My point is: How, then, it is possible that HI filed a suit against His unarmed ordinary Murids.
Well done Zeenatara!
Wow! I can't believe that you actually sent SS your letter and even received a response. I thought that people just write things on this site but are not really brave and sincere enough to actually do what they are saying. So I am amazed with you, Sister Zeenatara. Not only did you really send your letter to SS but you actually got a response and now you've even replied to that fickle response. Double wow! I will now jump upon the bandwagon and be brave also. Please provide me with SS's email so that I too may write to him and aprise him of my opinions. For the sake of being politically correct, kindly email it to me at hali78650@gmail.com
Writing to leaders........
Copies of correspondence to SS should be sent to the LIF head, Azim Lakhani, and ask him to respond as well, ask Lakhani whether he has confirmed directly with MHI of the lawsuit that have taken place, and/or whether he has confirmed with MHI directly concerning the announcement that was made in JKs in April.
Asking questions is encouraged by MHI in 1992 India visit.
Alnaz
Leaders dont know because ?
bloglaw replies in vancouverite;
Nazneen – I am happy you find peace when you listen to Waeez’s especially AbuAli’s. I hope in addition to Abu Ali’s Waaz’s you will also be able to read and listen to Imam’s Farmans & speeches in all JK’s when you wish and need to. I was reading Abu Ali’s articles and in 2004 he said that the significance of our rites and ceremonies have never been taught in RE-BUI since 1948 ?
Is that true and if so, is that the reason why Leaders and many dont understand the significance of mehmani ? If so Abu Ali and other missionaries/Al Waezeens can and do expalin. Therefore is it not most important to preserve this tradition in also this lawsuit ? Abu ali also sayd ITREB are discontinuing some traditions which they should not ? If any one of you doubt what Abu Ali said I will be happy to let you have the article.
Mr Shivji – I see you like to find ways to be nice to everyone here and on the other site. What about pauvre moi (poor me)? (: just a joke. Thanks you Mr Shivji.
I continue to pray for a settlement by agreement today or tomorrow. Ameen
If true no wonder and is the significance and all rites and ceremonies a part of the curricula and programs since 2004 ?
Who & what are murids resenting ?
News Editor Vancouverite December 4, 2010 – “I just wonder if these people live within the Ismaili community and understand the resentment that has built up – or are they living in some dream world of their own surrounded by supportive people. What I am picking up is unheard of resentment from the community”
Reply by bloglaw December 4, 2010 - Editor – Thank you for sharing. Seriously how many have you spoken to, or is this what you have been told by a leader or two. Or is this your gut feeling? Leaders are not responding because they have been directed not to.
Resentment shows when you speak in a derisive or demeaning way about a person or a group of people, you have distressing thoughts about them, you get furious for no good reason, get inexplicably angry and depressed, you find yourself going in circles to overcome irrational or negative feelings, you grit your teeth and smile when you really want to scream, you fake enthusiasm and excitement when you really need to say what you are feeling, but cant.
And what is Resentment :It is harboring animosity against a person or group of people whom you feel have mistreated you and leaving you in a seething, aching and an emotional turmoil, long-term suffering in silence, open expression of hurt (feedback or critique) is unwanted and uninvited, a grudge you hold against a person or group of people. You feeling offended, do not speaking and remaining silent, and lack of forgiving, inability to let go, or to forgive. Resentment can also lead to lack of objectivity and purpose.
So Editor, who are the Jamat resenting ? Can you elaborate more specifically. This can apply in this lawsuit to many , those commenting, silent, and to Dr SS, MM, Gray, Alnaz Nagib, AK and other leaders. Maybe what you are picking up is resentment from lack of information, feed back, knowledge or understanding or open expression of hurt (feedback or critique) is unwanted and uninvited or really encouraged by Leaders in question.
We also need to be careful we say what we mean as those reading comments are global and from a diverse background and languages. So please don’t think I am trying say you don’t know the meanings of resentment. You probably know better than me.
Why share with every
Why do I respond to all Murids and share my thoughts with all. @ Alnaz. First and foremost, Prophet Muhammed (Saws pbuH) and Imam wishes us all to seek and share our knowledge, and to treat every murid and their views with respect. Imam also wishes and guides us to be inclusive. Remembering in London 2 months ago Imam asked the global Leaders present to share Imams guidance and “thoughts” with the Jamat.
Secondly; Secularly, the top CEO’s of the world today say that for success we must build trust and more ideas and thoughts need to be generated from amongst ourselves and our respective organizations, and every thought and idea from everyone internally should be considered and given an equal hearing and chance.
Third; When we have something to say and when Leaders listen and respond, even if they do not agree, we feel an enhanced sense of belonging, a sense of comfort and of care. All Leaders need to know. Some did. Now they all do.
Fourth, Murids who are commenting and reading these comments come from diverse traditions and mindset within the West and globally. There are also different national levels and ages. They too think and interpret the same information and facts differently. A sentence or word to you and me can mean something else to someone else in for example Tajikistan, India Metropolis, India villages, Hunza, China, Syria, Persia etc. Quran says and Imam has reminded us regularly that we are all made different so we may know each other (by learning from each other, by sharing and understating each other)
For example; religiously and of relevant to the lawsuit. The word ” farman” is defined in the constitution and used during 4 JK ceremonies . Our Top 2 leaders (Dr SS and AK) certainly do not understand what one of the meanings of farman and what is a Talika. I think they know, and did not mean to say what they said on the record which they may have believed (wrongly) was for only non Ismaili consumption and irrelevant (wrongly) in the lawsuit. I also think they were caught off guard and could not articulate. These questions are a part of all the leadership orientation programme and out-reach programs over the last 10 years and which are approved by Dr SS and his Dept at DJI in Aiglemont coordinating 16 institutions. Dr SS and AK have attended them and Dr SS in fact was instrumental in the content and delivery of them, as head of ITREB and IIS (They ll report to DJI)
Fifth; The question we need to ask is ; Do we, and can we “effectively” articulate with comfort key and the challenging questions regarding our faith and practices, both internally and externally, and between our brothers and sisters in all parts of the world.
Sixth; Some of the name calling and language on the Vancouverite site may be normal for them, and not insulting to them. I have listen to inter action by the youth and the language and words they use jovially and daily to communicate. Imam wishes and guides us to be more pluralistic and to act with cosmopolitan values at all times. MSMS said that change is constant and inevitable and that we must be active participants in managing change in a direction which is in our collective and the common good of all.
Remembering Prophet Mohammed (saws pbuh)did not retaliate when rubbish was thrown on him or change his course the next day. He demonstrated the power of patience and love. Remembering what Imam said on the evening of 15 October 2010 to the world about working together and changing the media mind set. Remembering this unprecedented case and debate is new and a milestone for all. Remembering leaders must encourage feedback, debate and listen to thoughts and ideas from every murid.
Seventh; I understand why & when a 74 year old or an Itmadi or Leaders does not debate and says Sabar (Patience). Also when Alama Nasirudin is excluded and waiting for 9 years for a response but continues his work. In his lecture on U Tube he says Farmans are delivered by Imam to be shared. Farmans are not meant to be locked away or edited. He says the farman during their Mulakat of 45 minutes, recorded by Dr SS has not been shared as directed by Imam.
Eight; Remembering we are in the knowledge society and we need to be enabled, and able to act and articulate our faith with comfort ( internally as a priority, and also externally ) Remembering BUI as directed by Imam needs to be as good as the secular in every way and of early learning, where enquiry and creativity should not to be stifled but the potential allowed and nurtured to be actualized to the full).
Finally; Remembering Imam wishes us to excel, and be ambassadors who act and project the Jamat and Imamat as being a pluralistic community having cosmopolitan ethics. Remembering Leaders have ready willing and able resources who they should use and not exclude for the wrong reasons. Remembering what Al Waez’s (including Abually) have advised about change, BUI, and the real needs of our Jamat.
Alnaz; I hope you can now fully understand why I respond and share. I am sorry if this response is long because viewers & Leaders are global and from diverse traditions, backgrounds and mindset.
I pray that this case is concluded on or before 7th December. Ameen I look forward to meeting you and Nagib some day soon. And Nagib thank you for the invite.
@ Bloglaw :Did you receive any response from SS?
Excellent post. I was curious about the response by SS for your open and mailed challenge. Please do share with us if you receive any.
My father 75 also warns me repeatedly that I am unduly too involved emotionally and intellectually in the lawsuit.
He thinks my spirituality is of no significance in this case. He does not believe in "divine intervention". The leaders will get their way and MHI for the sake of maintaining the credibility of vast Institutional network will support the leaders. He is worried I will be devastated if the ruling is adverse to my belief. And my faith might be affected. Also he thinks the leaders may hurt me in indirect ways.
But I disagree with him. I emphasize the need to share my views and need to support the defendants in principle. This is my moral obligation. We always have to stand up for the weaker segments of the society no matter where they are.
Everyone is going to get on a bandwagon behind a successful person whether ethical or not.
I also have never known these 2 defendants personally but they are in my prayers every single day. I had not even seen the book till about a month ago.
But I agree to their principle and this website has provided me a lot of knowledge so I want to support them. More than all of that I think the lawsuit is about the basic tenets and doctrines of our faith. I feel hypocrites like of SS for too long have hijacked it and things have to change. The Institutions are totally deaf ear to the general jamat.
Only Chamchas can go around happily enjoying themselves behind the names of IMAMAT institutions but the real believers are silently suffering and they need someone like you and Alnaz and Nagib to bring them out of their plight, which is not happy.
One person "Shivji” on Vancouverite arrogantly wrote and used the word "sages” for individuals who are posting here quoting ginans and Farmans and Quran without any secular knowledge or something like that but he seems very oblivion of the fact that most of us are highly educated and successful in secular world as well (Alhamd-aallah)
You have never mentioned but you sure sound like an excellent lawyer and I am a Surgeon myself. So it is ok to be called a sage for also knowing our faith well because most people well educated in secular world are likely to understand the principles of faith also well because they are blessed with intelligence to understand most subjects well by their creator.
Also the ability to express our thoughts in simple language without undue jargon of words and phrases, which do not reflect any wisdom or sound knowledge, is a blessing.
Response by Dr SS
Bloglaw's open letter was a request to Dr Sachedina to give information to all leaders. I wonder if he responded to the request.
In his response to Zeenat, Dr Sahedina should have responded to issues raised by Zeanat and also at the very least informed her if after the meeting on 15 Oct 2010, either Imam decided to change his mind about conciliation or why is the consent signed by Alnaz not enough to conclude the case and different from directions given by MHI on 15 Oct 2010, and why is he or other leaders not meeting Alnaz and Nagib to even discuss this issue ?
Maybe Dr Sachedina will do so in his response to Zeenat's reply to his letter ?
@Bloglaw
Bloglaw, I wish to add to my comment, that there is no harm in having a debate, have it in a more "civilised" manner rather than having a debate in an "uncivilised" manner. Thanks once again.
@Bloglaw
Ya Ali Madad Bloglaw. Thanks for your posting. With regard to name calling, etc. by other site, I wonder whether they all are teenagers? Even if they are teenagers, they are "Ismailis". Our faith tells us to "respect" people. Whether we live in western society or eastern society, we must respect all human beings and infact all creations of Allah including the environment, and not hurt anybody. Our actions, even what we speak and also our thoughts towards others, is part of our daily deeds.
Our Beloved Hazar Imam has always said that He wants His Spiritual Children to be "united". We all are His Spiritual Children, and He loves us more than we love Him. When an Ismaili verbally hurts his/her spiritual brother/sister, that Ismaili is hurting our Mowla, because Mowla loves all His Murids. Bloglaw, one day Inshallah when I will be in UK, it will be a great pleasure meeting you, and share your great knowledge. Thank you.
Mawlana Hazar Imam loves us more than we love Him!
YAM, MS. YASMIN! Once again Nizar Shivji is at your Service! I have read your blog and I feel very confident that if we all think like the way you have expressed your thoughts, the “respect beget the respect.” I think we all can be triumphant to conquer the defeat of lowliness and narrow-mindedness. It is not an easy task but we can always try! Ismailism like other well known religions is preaching us to restraint ourselves under all precarious circumstances. The life is very fragile and limited in living form; therefore, the good deeds will not go unnoticed! Mawlana Hazar Imam loves us more than we love Him! With my affectionate prayers for all my Ismaili Muslims brethren, and with Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!
Response from SS to my open letter
Dear Ms Zeenat Allahrakhya,
With reference to your email, please rest assured that my work in serving Mawlana Hazar Imam is entirely in accordance with his wishes and guidance, and aims to fulfill the objectives that he establishes. In his infinite wisdom and at his pleasure, Mawlana Hazar Imam has entrusted to me certain responsibilities, which I shall continue to fulfill to the best of my ability for as long as he desires. Although you may have a different view of the actions that you ascribe to me, my conscience is clear that all my efforts are in the interest of ensuring Mawlana Hazar Imam’s absolute comfort and convenience. It is he who judges my failures and shortcomings.
In closing, I may add that the vocabulary as well as tone of your note are incompatible with the spirit of unity and shared respect among Ismaili brothers and sisters.
With Ya Ali Madad,
My response to the above (sent today):
Mr Shafik Sachedina,
Your response to my e-mail has been received and typically you have
dodged the main issue. Nobody is in doubt about your work and service
to the Imam, but it is hardly believable that the Imam has given you
Himself the right to act inappropriately in His presence. However hard
and dedicatedly you work for the Imam, you must always remember that
that this is a privilege granted upon you and in the presence of the
Imam, you must act with "adab", especially mindful that murids who
love Him will get hurt with such "beadabi" in the presence of the Lord
of the worlds (which given your demeanor, you do not believe Him to
be). I will once again insist that you cannot continue this kind of
behavior around our beloved Imam and if you do not want to agree to
this then you should resign. That would be the honorable thing to do
given that you have hurt so many of us. I will certainly not apologize
for my tone and vocabulary because I am extremely annoyed and upset
with you, which I have every right to be.
I hope you have understood what I am trying to say and will shed some
of your arrogance in order to realize that it is actually you who has
created this strife between brothers and sisters, and only your humble
acceptance will mend it.
Zeenat Allahrakhya
Murid
Dr SS should accept & resign ...
Zeenat, you are right. Dr SS should accept and apologise where he is so obviously wrong and arrogant, and offer his resignation, and conclude this case before the court hearing on Monday as directed by Hazar Imam on 15 Oct 2010.
SS' silence speaks volumes!!!
First you may be the first to receive a reply from a top leader. Congrats.
Importantly, SS did NOT deny any aspects of our reporting on the Oct 15 mulakat. If we had either misreported or exaggerated the facts in our reports he would have said so.
Reply to Alnaz
Brother Alnaz, I was happy to receive a response from SS and the wordings of his response, neatly dodging my main issues of complaint, convinced me even further and strengthened my resolve to protest against such blatant disregard for Hazar Imam and His wishes. Yes, he certainly did not deny anything about the reports of October 15 but is still not regretting his actions before and thereafter. It is imperative that we all stand up for our Mowla and voice openly our concerns.
Thank you very much for your response.
Best wishes and God bless.
@ Bloglaw
You are absolutely right. The onus of the proof, in all civil cases, is on the plaintiff. It is his responsibility to satisfy the court about his case contents. This is true even in developing countries like India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh etc.
The benefits of doubt, if any, in all such cases is given to defendant.
Things happen for good and it is the Will of HI
YAM.
Yes, proof requirements lies with Plaintiff. I reviewed briefs and I do agree many things mentioned are hearsay and therefore those will stricken by the Court.
Also, I noticed that our Ismaili constitution is not discussing how to disperse firmans to Jamat. This itself says, HI deliberately protected Jamat from Tariqha board's dictatorship, otherwise many Jamati members would be subject to disciplinary actions. When HI is speaking about pluralistic Jamat, our Tariqha board is busy galvanizing the Jamat as a one type of Jamat and that you can noticed how Satada and Chandrat ceremonies are conducted along with announcements. This law suit is one of their example. I am still wondering, why Tariqha board has not taken action against on defendants similar to Meharali? The answer is simple, HI will not cooperate in this matter and therefore, they bang the wrong door.
Before, HI visited to Huston Jamat, he did not authorize Jamats to travel there but many did go and so HE immediately sarcastically mentioned about there presence in his firman. This incident itself is saying Imam is blunt and he will not shy about it if someone does not do correct. This was not the case when Imam came for discovery meeting. I do remember in 80's Imam was mad at the leadership (leadership went to see Imam in France) and during that mulakat Imam broke the table glass with his feast and send the leadership back to home. To Him at that time, the leadership was doing monkey business.
I am still wondering where can I find the copy of the new Nikha, Nimaz and Funeral services? Is Tarikha board going to sleep on it. Isn't those books belong to Jamat? Are we facing the similar time period that happen Europe passed through and invented the New World.
A Parallel ? - 8 years and still waiting ?
On Vancouverite Ali says “ .. I see a parallel with Allama Nasirudin who rebelled against the leadership and formed his own cult group. Nagib, Alnaz and Bloglaw are headed for that route. No regrets.” News Editor says “ Some may dispute that Allama Nasirudin formed his own cult. Some may say he is part of a cultural variation that occurs among Ismailis from different ethnic groups and languages. This issue remains a matter of debate I think.”
Reply by Bloglaw :
Well said Editor I agree with you Editor that there may be other reasons including cultural traditions and variations. I am also totally with you that we should and reverse the culture of timidity and fear of the past with constructive and reasoned debate.
Is Allama Nasiruddin the same one I found on a google search, who has a 7 series of 10 minute lectures he delivered in June 2010 & has uploaded them on U-tube ?.
He says he has written 100-150 books on Ismailism, Soul, Batin, and Imamat etc. He also met Hazar Imam and Dr Shafik Sachedina with Fakir Hunzai of IIS for 45 minutes some 8-9 years ago. He describes the mulat and the Farman by Hazar Imam most eloquently and with immense love and reverence.
He has he says written Qasidas(Ginans) which have been accepted as by Hazar Imam as Ginans. These are recited in many JK’s. He adds he gave some of his books to Dr Shafik Sachedina as directed by Hazar Imam in order for IIS s to collaborate, publish and work together.
This was 8-9 years ago and he is still waiting to hear from from IIS or Dr S Sachedina to progress this collaborationas directed by Hazar Imam. He also says in these lectures that Fakir Hunzai of IIS can verify the meeting and directions given by Hazar Imam.
@ Bloglaw re: above post of Dec. 2nd
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Ya Aly madad, brother Bloglaw. Thank you so much for this informative post: I never knew this gentleman had had a Mulaqat with Hazer Imam, I thought he had just met S.S.
Keep up your good work, brother Bloglaw, many of us really appreciate your effort and are grateful that you take the trouble to respond so patiently, logically, and courteously to the other party, even when they are nasty and write in a truly disgusting way...(I had read two of their lines once, in one of your posts, and ever since then I just scroll down to your response, skipping their comments...:-)
It is a pity you are so far away and I cannot go to England, for it would have been wonderful to meet you!
Mowla tamaaro bahuj bhalo karè. Ameen. Take care.
Would Imam single out Alnaz and Nagib ?
Has any action been taken against this Murid by Dr Sachedina or NCAB or ICAB after the Mulakat ?
Are any of his Ginans or books or sections in them against the Imam or ismailism ? Some of his books are co authored by leading Ismaili scholars and a world leading authority on Quran who works with IIS ? Do the books not contain Imams guidance and farmans ?
He says openly on the internet that he has continued his work as directed by Imam and continues to publish books etc.
Why then no action or lawsuit against that Murid but a lawsuit against Alnaz and Nagib?
why does IIS not review the books given by him and meet him and work together with him. This is a part of their mandate and especially since Imam has given directions to work together with this Murid. Maybe IIS are not aware or waiting for the books and instructions from Dr Sachedina?
When and who retained Mr Gray ?
Follower on Vancouverite says “ Bloglaw/Spinner, you say on your beloved Nagib’s website the following: “Regarding the affirmation on 12 May. It was after the lawsuit was filed on 6 April 2010. The Judge directed discovery despite the affirmation. ……. Knowing the defence and issue I am surprised Mr Gray did not do a better and more conclusive job when drafting of that Affirmation. …….” Bloglaw, so the following sworn statements of the Imam (affirmation) are not clear enough for you? Or are you just that dumb? Bloglaw, the judges are not as dumb as you and the 2 clowns. If Imam did not file the Statement of Claim on Apr 6, when did he actually retain the firm of Ogilvy Renault ? Sheer stupidity !
BLOGLAW REPLIES
- Regarding your question of when the law firm was retained, and who instructed them to file the lawsuit ?. Look at the time line of what happened after the letter of 18 Feb to 6 April 2010. The defendants say it was not Imam but it was Dr SS and or MM who retained and instructed the law firm to file the lawsuit
Regarding Affirmation - Can you think of a very good and compelling reason why the top law firm in drafting the affirmation did not simply say the following conclusively, and why not file it with an appropriate affidavit in court.
1 I personally retained the law firm of Ogivy Renault on x date (or on ……… I authorized Dr SS and MM to retain them)
2 On xx date I personally authorised Ogivy Renault to prepare and file a lawsuit against the named defendants in case no ……( or on xx I authorized Dr SS and MM to authorized the firm of Ogivy Renault to file the lawsuit)
3 I personally reviewed and approved the contents of the claim on xxx date and authorized Ogilvy Renault to file the claim in case no.
4 I reaffirm that I am therefore the Plaintiff in case no …
5 Etc……..
Regarding timeline - Not forgetting Dr Sachedina said it was end of march when Imam decided on taking legal action. If So the law firm was retained, consulted, advised, prepared claim, personal review by Imam and a lawsuit filed on 6 April. All this within one week ? Unbelievable ?with no pre action letters ? or any contact with Alnaz ?. Dr SS said Imam wished this to be resolved internally and yet Dr SS or MM made no contact with Alnaz whatsoever before 6 April 2010. And no efforts to meet and conciliate after 15 October 2010 ?
@Bloglaw, A Request !!
Bloglaw, your posts are pretty good. However, I urge you to stop giving fuel to the group of eight, you will never satisfy them. The more you respond, they get their fuel and the fire keeps burning.
Did you notice, I just went to see lawsuit21010 website and although it is last updated on October 15, 2010, they have NOT posted the Appeal decision denying Gray's Appeal, nor posted the cross examination of Lindblom (he was crucified on cross examination, I bet he regrets getting involved in this case), and other important documents, revised facta, etc.
You and a few others continue debating with them. If no one writes back, what will they do, where will their fuel come from. They may read your comments here and try to respond to you, but Salim is delighted in getting attention (finally his web site became famous and attracts hits) to them loving to write back with same old garbage - garbage in garbage out, but don't feed them anything. Let them talk between themselves.
I also urge all not to even bother reading their comments (I rarely go there, last I went there was maybe over two months ago) or to even respond to anything they say. Why give them satisfaction? Salim had told me when I spoke with him, that he does not go to JKs, has not done so for a long time, does not know anything about the institutions, etc. That comment itself was revealing. What to do with such people. I think (someone told me) that he had criticized (or someone else on his site did) MHI for allowing the books distributed to be kept.
Am I surprised that he loves writing what I term as subjective posts, he is unable to be objective, just as the group of eight. Likes attract.
The Eight's Guru, Abu Ali Missionary (and incidentally my Guru too) once said to me when I was complaining about something, he responded: When walking on your path, you come across a dog barking, what will you do? Go on your fours to bark back?
I said, NO, I will walk away to the other side and get away. Well then remember that you will often come across a brother, sister, employer, neighbour, etc., in the guise of a dog barking away, you have a choice, bark back or walk away. Ever since I remember that, and simply walk away from those who in that moment are like dogs - with fantastic fringe benefits - no blood pressure, no stress, no worries and I can sleep well.
So why not expend your energies, instead of arguing with them, enlighten the concerned people with your assessments in lay terms for all to understand the case better.
You cannot "show" the blind the beauty of a sunset, nor how "bright" the rainbow is. Let them be.
@Alnaz re: above post of Dec. 2nd (Request to Bloglaw)
786
Ya Aly madad, brother Alnaz.
Abu Aly Missionary's advice to you is indeed excellent advice. Still, I feel that brother Bloglaw's posts in response to the posts on the other site are really needed, for those who read that site's unpleasant comments (which also totally lack accuracy and twist everything) often visit this site and they can then get the true version of the facts from Bloglaw. If he stops his posts here, then where will they get to read about the real facts?
And Shukhar Mowla, he responds to them very calmly, rationally, and courteously too. I am not sure his responses are adding fuel to the other side, but he is, no doubt, straightening the records, not only for now, but for the future's archives too, if you understand what I mean.
Please forgive me if I have offended you any way, brother Alnaz.
Take care, and do hang in there. Many are praying that Mowla Bapa's wish be realized.
Proof is in eating the pudding !!!
@Bloglaw (not to forget !!)
Forget the Affirmation. Forget the lawsuit, who filed, etc. Forget who retained Gray.
Remember, and not forget, that at the discovery, Nagib LEFT it open to the Imam to say whatever the He pleases. He chose not to insult the Imam by asking Him questions. All I can say is, shabash to Nagib.
BUT what did the Imam do. He would have needed one whole minute to say the following (please confirm the time it takes, read it and ask some to count the time it takes to say it):
Mr. T and Mr. J:
I have been seeking since the mid 90s to have you stop publishing My farmans. I wrote you a letter, and another one, and my brother also sent you a letter, in addition to sending messages from my officers. I brought this lawsuit as you refused to accept my farmans, and your response has been to allege forgery without any foundation, and you have been questioning everything my officers do on my behalf. I have confidence in my leaders, an they do exactly what I ask of them.
Well here I am now in person. I want you to stop publication and distributing my farmans. In fact, I don't want anyone else to distribute my farmans by emails, post them on internet, and only accept farmans that ITREB delivers the Jamat.
Will you confirm to abide by my Farman on these issues as I have been seeking.
Gray that is all, that is all I have to say, I will take leave. File my transcript in the court and obtain a judgment based on their defence that if they are satisfied I want them to stop, they will stop. I trust that they will now sign a consent judgment and abide by my wishes.
(Ok, ok, I know: you can say it in under a minute if you speak faster.)
Wow, instead the Imam says, "may I make a suggestion", and spends about 30 minutes, although Nagib was asking for 5 minutes, the court trippled it to 15 minus, and he doubles it to 30 minutes, and NEVER once said anything remote to the above spill.
Review one point only:
Assuming we are crooks, so much that the Imam has to bring an action to stop us. In fact a plaintiff and defendant are almost always fighting each other. In this action, the Plaintiff claims we have STOLEN his "works".
Now after alleging that we have stolen his "works" what does he do: tells me, "the annotated farmans can be produced, IF YOU WANT". To a thief he is offering more goodies - even more profound because the annotated version includes HIS THOUGHT PROCESSES. I am still reeling when I remember his look, his eyes focused into mine when he said, "If you want".
This fact alone answers the question, who is the real plaintiff. Would a real plaintiff GIVE more goodies to the one whom he alleges stole them in the first place?
Of course not everyone will agree, specially the group of eight, but frankly who cares if they continue till Qayamat to continue to attack us. It requires inner eyes to "see" the truth. Over a billion read the Quran, some know every word and sentence by heart, yet cannot "see"? is is the fault of the Quran they cannot "see"?
If imam was the plaintiff
If imam was the plaintiff and he wanted to win the case he would have done that and the meeting would have ended in less than a few minutes, as you have stated. No reason for any plaintiff not to do so especially one represented by the best lawyers money can buy,
Imam did not want those questions put to him by Mr Gray and Mr Gray did not or could not do so even if he wanted to do so.
Shukhar Alhamdullilah and i hope our leadership will reflect on what you have said and do as Imam directed in that meeting.
Most lawsuits are settled out of court and many at the last minute. I hope history will show this was settled by agreement and conciliation.
@Alnaz
Ya Ali Madad Alnaz. Thanks for your posting. As I have always said Our Beloved Hazar Imam loves all His Murids. He is "definitely" taking care of you and Nagib. If people on other sites "attack" you both verbally, call you names, just accept it, because Mowla is watching and your "gunah'" are washed away. Never give up. My prayers are always with you both. Thank you.
@ Yasmin @ Alnaz
Ameen - Yasmin. is right Alnaz You should accept and dont get upset. Bloglaw is responding to all their comments with respect with reason and with facts. This will make them reflect and discuss amongst themselves, their friends and with leaders. They will know the truth.
The editor of vancouverite has said he talks to some of the top leaders. So they too will know and understand the truth. The silent majority are also reading the comments and so are the Noorani family and Hazar Imam. they also know.
Alnaz, Mawla is with you and guiding you. bloglaw is doing a unique and special seva.. Alnaz, who do you think asked Bloglaw, or sent him to help, and who inspires him to do so ? Your request to Bloglow suggests you do not know and have never met bloglaw? bloglaw also says he has never met Nagib either? yes?
@Bloglaw
I have not met Bloglaw or any one else who write comments here.
I am deeply grateful for all prayers, encouragement and support by so many, I really appreciate it.
With respect to writing in their website. The way I see it, is that those who can argue against the Imam's stated position, or those who can and do criticize the Imam, or those whose arguments are for the sake of argument whether or not they make sense, then we should ask the question, are we the reason that gives them fuel.
Most counselors tell their patients, as I tell my clients, don't argue with the foolish.
MSMS in one of his farman said, that Isa Nabi even crossed the road to avoid the likes of the group of eight.......such people get their 'rush' and 'high' by the reaction from others, best way to deal with them is to shun them so they don't get satisfaction from the other's reaction.
@Alnaz
Ya Ali Madad Alnaz. As I have said before let those on other site say whatever they wish to, which is very sad. I think that you and Nagib have that "inner peace", that Our Beloved Mowla Blessed you both, not just for 5 minutes you had asked for but for 30 minutes, because He loves you both as His Spiritual Children. This Blessing is more precious than anything in the world. Thank you.
I have never met Bloglaw.
I have never met Bloglaw. His postings are interesting and well articulated.
But I am in Nairobi and whenever Bloglaw or any of you guys travel to this part of the world, we can meet. I go to Parklands JK so you will find me there everyday except when I come for legal matters in Canada [so far 4 times in the last few months] You are welcome home for Chai, Bhiriani and Samosa ;-)
Nagib
@Nagib re: above post of Dec. 3rd
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Many thanks for the invitation to the rest of us! That is generous of you! By the way, I am vegetarian! :-)
Ya Aly madad!
@Not to forget
You gave me goosebumps to read your post. Now I am ever more than certain of the out come in favor of the defendants.
I think Nagib and Alnaz Should go home and sleep and not worry at all. Ignore the posts on the Vancouverite. There is no meaning to them.
Our Mawla is with you You need no one else. You know the bliss of his presence. He came all the way to Canada to meet with you guys everything else was a make believe.
I have had a similar encounter ( Quite tiny compared to yours) in my life and it has given meaning to my existence. I cannot exit from that bliss even for a second.I find Him with me all the time running to fulfill even my smallest wish. Shukhar!
If you were at Daresalam GJ darbar , his hand gesture of "move all worries to the side and enjoy the evening" With His right hand he was pushing everything away! Truly remarkable gesture! I can never forget it and its implications subsequently in my life.
Consequences of Judgment on 7th December
@ Alibhai Jiwani - The reason I feel we should all wish for conciliation is because Imam directed them to settle. However you are right that Imam may wish a different outcome. I hope the Jamat and leaders who are reading these feedback and suggestions are passing them on with their thoughts.
If the case is dismissed on 7th Dec, then
1 History will show Imam has never sued His murids,
2 The sanctity of mehmani will be preserved.
3 Farmans will be accessible to the Jamat in all JK’s and in remote locations
4 Farmans as delivered and annotated by Imam, will be available to the Jamat.
5 There will be resignations and change. The root causes will be reversed more quickly.
6 External potential impact and challenges will be lower to manage.
7 Dr SS statements made under oath can be disregarded about Farmans and the reason Farmans are edited by DR SS and the Leaders, is because Imam thinks in French, and so DR SS suggesting Imam does not say in English what Imam means ?
What if Judgment is given against the defendants ?
1 Imam is the plaintiff and there was infringement. (copyright has not been challenged)
2 History will show Imam sued his followers over the distribution his Farmans to his murids, which he made for his Murids.
3 The sanctity of memani and its meaning will become a question .
4 Jamat will continue not have access to Imam's Farmans in JK’s even in remote locations (for some time if ever).
5 DR SS says under oath that only edited farmans and when publised by ITREB are Farmans (not as and when delivered by the Imam). So edited farmans will be available. During Darbar when Imam delivers a Farman we cannot share with our Jamats because Imam thinks in French according to Dr SS. (As in case of the London and Singapore GJ Farmans, which have been edited by the Leaders)
6 Any major changes will take much longer, and so will the widening gap between the ground realties and Imams Farmans
7 External impact in future can potentially be much higher.
8 If Judgment is given against the defendants then there must be other compelling reasons which we will understand in time.
There is therefore every reason in my limited understanding and judgment to conciliate and end this case as directed by Imam. I hope and pray there will be a consent agreement and an order on or before 7th December. Ameen.
@Bloglaw One more outcome possible !!
One outcome is not indicated above.
Neither Gray nor we win the motions, and the Judge says Summary Judgment cannot be given, go to trial, or a Summary Trial.
Then they will have to produce all documents (is this what the Imam meant when he said, they (annotated farmans) can be produced??) in Affidavit of Documents which Gray will have to produce, then off to trial, where, if it goes to trial, MHI would be a witness and testify in open court..
I doubt the case will go to trial (he'll ask, what happened, we had agreed to settle the matter??), but is possibility.
@ Alnaz: One more outcome!
As far as I understood from the versions of discovery meeting with MHI, that MHI did not use the word" Settlement."
I thought he "suggested" go for "Consent judgement" Are the 2 words synonymous in legal language? My understanding was first one outside the court mutually settled and the second in the court by the judge. But I am not a lawyer.
Indeed if the case goes to trial we are in for a major breakthrough! Something close to Zahurat.MHI may decide to come to the courts. The entire era may change! From what I have read about this highly incredible moment is that in 3 days the thinking of the entire population can be changed to believers! It is that powerful an event.
But I think since MHI used the word "end the case" somewhere in the conversation on Oct 15th so I think it will end soon.
Also I doubt if already there are 313 hakikati momins united ,sharp in intellect like snake and compassionate and soft at heart like pigeons. ( Pre requisite for Zahurat)( ref : Kalame Imame Mubin , Ismailia Association for India publication ,ISMS Farman)
So far there are only 2, Nagib and Alnaz that I know. So we may have to wait a long time before that happens!
We are very far from that
We are very far from that position. We would be satisfy if we could reach the position of the dust under the feet of our Imam.... Even that level will come in the future, Inshallah, after many many challenges, trials [LOL] and tribulations, and many tests to pass.
@bloglaw: Regarding judgement on 7th dec
Chances of conciliation at this point are close to zero according to me. You have very well delineated all the right reasons why if the case is dismissed in the favor of defendants that it is a better outcome for jamat and Imamat
Hazar Imam said to the defendants on 15th oct 2010, that he hopes to meet them again and work with them , considering this remark it seems more strong that judgement will not be against the defendants. MHI 's words are never incorrect.
Also He being Almighty in the zahiri and batuni both the worlds he will never defeat a weak party.( Even if for a second assume He is the true plaintiff) There is no chivalry in defeating unarmed soldiers.( Alnaz and Nagib are without lawyers)! Plaintiff on the other end has an army of lawyers.And again what is the crime? Spreading his farmans to his Murids?? What a heinous crime??
It is against the principle of "Ali" within him. (Review history of Hazarat Ali and Lord Krishna)
From all points it is only rationale and just that the case gets dismissed. I am pretty sure it will be. (Inshaallah). That is why Mawla is cool!
I thought this litigation will resolve with slap on the wrist!
YAM, MR. BLOWLAW! When I looked thoughtlessly from all points of view on this litigation, I felt, it would be a matter of less consequence, and would be resolved with a slap on the wrist! But it developed into a prominent court case on infringement. This infraction, once again, I tried to view it with mysticism in my mind because this court case is first of its kind which is disputed between the Imam of the time and His Murid. I felt sure; it would be resolved in a matter of time. But it has hung around us for many months and we do not have the resolution as we had expected!
It has become a tribulation for all those who are closely monitoring this court case. Mawlana Hazar Imam, the Ismaili Muslims Institution, the Ismaili Muslims Community, Mr. Nagib Tajdin, and Mr. Alnaz Jiwa. They all have produced challenging evidence via documentation. The answers are not that easily obtainable because it is not simple to blurt out anything just to satisfy the curiosity. There will be consequence if something is spoken out of place.
Realistically The Canadian Law has provided the opening to both – the plaintiff and the defendants. This opening began with a lawsuit filed on April 06, 2010 by Mawlana Hazar Imam against Mr. Nagib Tajdin and Mr. Alnaz Jiwa on infringement of copyright by publishing and distributing the Farman Book. Then the Discovery was held on October 15, 2010. The Discovery became irrelevant because of many irregularities. Now we are steadily waiting for Summary Judgment which will be held on December 07, 2010. There are lots of accusations against the Ismaili Muslims Institution, and the defendants, and so on …. The court case has advanced to its pinnacle which will provide the judgment in time to come. Whichever way the decision goes, Mawlana Hazar Imam is philanthropic, omnipresent, and omnipotent. The Defendants are steadfast with their belief on Noor of the Imam. They feel their submission to the court a defence is not against the Imam, but against the usurper.
The doctrine of Ismaili Muslims faith will remain intact. Nobody can undermine the system of belief of Ismaili Faith. Where do I stand? I stand in the Holy Huzur Poor Noor of Hazarat Dhani Salamat Datar Noor Mawlana Shah Karim Al-Husseini Hazar Imam to beg for His Grace and Infinite Mercy. This is also my prayers for my Ismaili Muslims brothers and sisters. Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!
@ ;an ordinary Murid
The nine questions posed by an ordinary Murid to his uncle should also be posed to Vancouverite. However, I would like to add two more questions as follows:
10. Would Sachedina resign from his post?
11. Would MM expiate the great sin he committed by assisting SS in his heinous crafty criminal plot to totally ruin Nagib and Al Naz?
Imam Will Win.
I was wondering why the Imam never interfered, and never gave any evidence Himself, even at discovery.
I was wondering how the court would weigh that on one side, the defendants gave direct evidence of the consent, and on the other hand, the Plaintiff gave second-hand evidence only.
I was wondering if defendants can really prove to the court that the Aga Khan does not support the Plaintiff's case.
I was also wondering that if the court sides with the defendants, then how would that not be a loss in the eyes of the public for the Imam?
All four of those questions got answered by this case law extract quoted with the defendants' revised factum:
"..Such failure amounts to an implied admission that the evidence of the absent witness would be contrary to the party's case, or at least would not support it.”
So the court is obliged to believe that the absence of a direct affidavit from the Imam means that His evidence supports the defendants!
Either way, Imam wins! Brilliant!
Imam Will Win.
of course, we all knew it long time ago that HH will win this case...( no if's or but's or maybe's)
@ Salim : reg :Imam will win
Whichever party has MHI in principle and spirit with them that party will win not with just the name.
The other side
My uncle, 74, and old person and of Vancouverite type, told me few days back that, “The defendants have almost no chance to win the case, and hence my elderly advice to them is to settle the case as per HI’s directions for they are certainly to lose this case and its consequences are very dangerous to them.” Dangerous consequences he mentioned are in his own words are as follows:
1. “Soon they will not find any supporters from the Jamat. Particularly, when court verdicts that indeed there was infringement of Farmans by the defendants.’
2. “They will be required to pay heavy penalties.”
3. “After the court verdict hardly any Ismaili will visit Heritage web site and hence the desire of vizier sahib would be automatically met.”
4. “These two will be considered by all the Jamati members around the globe as renegades and enemy of Jamat.”
5. “There will be overwhelming demands from Jamat to take disciplinary action against these two.”
6. “Vizier sahib is likely to file a defamation case against them.”
After saying this he posed me a question, “Do you agree with me or not?”
Instead of replying to him directly, I posed a counter question, “What if the plaintiff case of infringement or otherwise is dismissed by the court in favor of defendants, would you, then, believe in their version of 15th October discovery? Namely:”
1. “That Al Naz was wrongly implicated in the case.”
2. “That HI has accepted Mehamani of chocolate box from him in principle but was not taken away by HI physically.”
3. “All Farmans of previous Imams are HI’s Farmans.”
4. “Hazar Imam does not think in French and makes Farmans in English.”
5. “There is no need of editing of HI’s Farmans.”
6. “HI was not at all unhappy with them in the meeting but was very empathetic and pleased with them.”
7. “That settlement conditions proposed by HI were different from which Grey and Sachedina had drafted and to which they were forcing defendants to agree and sign.”
8. “When there are any changes in the Farmans Dais are getting hurt.”
9. “Lastly, that this case was not filed by HI at all but by these leaders.”
As soon as I completed my counter question, he became furious and told me that I am a renegade and should be excommunicated from Jamat, and since then he does not talk to me.
Revised Factums for Summary Judgment Motions
Revised Factums have been posted Here:
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment : Plaintiffs Revised Combined Factums of Reply and of Motion
2010-11-29 Summary Judgment: Defendants' Revised Factums of Motion and of Reply
Enjoy Surfing Your Heritage!
Farmans not to be followed? - says Sachedina.
Sachedina says under oath that Farmans spoken by Imam in a Didar are not to be followed until and unless the edited text version comes from ITREB. Those that are not published are no longer Farmans:
Extracts from my Summary Judgment motion:
44.
The claim therein that Farmans must be edited aligned with Sachedina's declarations over the years that Imam's Farmans must be edited, that the Imam "Thinks in French and Speaks in English", and with his general disrespect for the status of the Farmans and of the Imam in Ismaili Faith. If witness Sachedina is to be believed, the dozens of Farmans that never got released over the years, although they are full of guidance and blessings that were made to large gatherings of Ismailis who cherish those words and aim to follow them, although they are Divine, they are no longer "Farmans". This is quite contradictory and disrespectful to the tenet of Ismaili Faith that the Hereditary Imam is the bearer of the Light of God
45.
Contrary to the statement of claim, there is no established criteria for editing or
guidelines for publication or dissemination of Farmans. Mr Sachedina admits that the
Farman dissemination policy document dated March 2010 presented as Exhibit B in Mr
Sachedina's affidavit is a last-minute document that comes from Mr Manji, the President
of the Ismaili Council for Canada, and that it is not sent by the Imam. It is clear that
document and others have been created after the publication of the Golden Edition to
back the Statement of Claim.
46.
The Claim that the integrity of the Aga Khan's works is compromised is also wrong.
There is no evidence of mutilation or distortion. Quite the contrary, Ismaili Faith dictates
that the Imam's Farmans become effective and binding to Ismailis as soon as they are
spoken and as they are spoken. Tajdin also believes that Farmans cannot be edited and
has published them in their integral form.
47.
The premise in the claim that the Farmans must be edited before they are published is
not an Ismaili concept. There is no evidence that the Imam Edits Farmans because they
are, in Ismaili belief, from a Divine source. A judgment admitting without admissible
evidence that Imam edits the Farmans would reform the basis of the Ismaili religion in a
legal framework and it is not the mandate of judges to make changes to various religions
or to let anyone use the legal setup to do this.
References:
Cross-Examination of Sachedina p.59:#253, p.129: #544-#545, pp.147-150:#617 - #628, p.74: #306-#309
Affidavit of Nagib Tajdin sworn May 7, 2010, Moving Party’s Record, Tab 2, Paragraph 25-26
Affidavit of Nagib Tajdin sworn July 14, Tajdin's Responding Record, Tab 6, Paragraph 27-29, 18-22, 83-85
Affidavit of Mohamed Tajdin sworn July 7, Responding record Tab 8, Paragraph 17
Statement of Claim, Paragraph 23 & 20 & 34 &35
Statement of Defence of Tajdin, Paragraph 23.
Case is going to be dismissed in favor of the defendants
After reading the all the above sbmissions it seems almost certain that the case will be dismissed in favor of the defendants.
Hazar Imam has V.cleverly not given a sentence in favor of plaintiff despite showing up for the discovery. How amazing and wonderful! He appeared just for the defendants to boost their strength and show them the right path! He knows His leela very well. I hope SS is a history in no time. No one has to do anything.
LOOKING AT ALL ANGLE REALISTICALLY !
News Editor vancouverite says to Bloglaw : You forget the Boston affidavit witnessed by two prominent people including a notary and a lawyer. Tragic how you purport to pose legal answers that fall short of facts. In that affidavit he asserts the facts which are unchallenged by any evidence. It is simply not enough to make a claim, you have to produce evidence. Get on with it Bloglaw – you are an alley lawyer. You’d do well in some Bombay bazaar selling legal advice
Bloglaw Replies
Editor : As usual you are not looking at all sides of the angle realistically or objectively. The Judge has to decide if Imam personally authorised and filed the lawsuit on 6 April 2010 based on the evidence of facts submitted by all parties. Did Imam do so and has Imam and or Mr Gray submitted affidavits in court saying so after 6 April 2010 ?. May be rules of evidence in Canada are different and if so I may be wrong. Of course the Judge will need to decide on the experts evidence of the signatures and defence-submissions by the defendants.
And on this issue, even if Imam authorised the lawsuit after 6th April (I am not saying this was or not the case), the judge has to dismiss the lawsuit if the Judge finds Imam did not authorise it ON OR BEFORE 6th April 2010.(based on evidence filed on this specific issue)
Regarding the affirmation on 12 May. It was after the lawsuit was filed on 6 April 2010. The Judge directed discovery despite the affirmation. If the Judge finds that the affirmation was signed by Imam and also rules it can be or is admitted for this hearing as evidence. The judge has to then also consider and rule on the first 3 sentences. They do not say specifically that “before” the lawsuit was filed Imam reviewed the claim, approved it for filing, and instructed the Lawyers to file it. Knowing the defence and issue I am surprised Mr Gray did not do a better and more conclusive job when drafting of that Affirmation. Some may say Mr Gray is not that brilliant. Some (Mr Gray/MM/Dr SS), may say this was a legal strategy, Some may say there was a higher hand & purpose, and some may say it was an oversight in the necessary care and attention to details.
I am being realistic, not confrontational or negative. This is something to think about. I am sure Dr SS MM and Mr Gray and their team are aware of this and will have included it in their latest submissions.
@Bloglaw re: above post of Nov. 30th
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Mowla tamnè sukhi raakhè, Bloglaw! Ameen.
Ya Aly madad.
The ruling most likely on Dec 7th 2010
The case will be dismissed in favor of the defendants.
Mr. Gray has not convincingly proved that Imam indeed is the plaintiff except that he brought MHI for discovery.
But MHI did not give one sentence that said he is the real plaintiff
Neither did he say there was no forgery.
Discovery for whatever reason will have little meaning to Mr Gray and the court since nothing of importance was on record . Thanks to Mr. Gray.
MHI appeared because Dr.Sachedina has served Mawla for so many years so MHI decided to oblige.And maintain the honor of everyone involved.
But he ignored all the help given by Mawla.
The Consent judgement would have been in big favor of Dr Sachedina than the defendants if it was done as per MHI 's guidance.But it was not done. Thanks to malice in the hearts of the leaders.
Defendants are true momins.
MHI came to empower their morale so that they do not concede
Nagib and Alnaz both truly experienced his affection rather than His wrath.
Which gave them the truth even without asking a single Q.
MHI provided all that was needed for them.
Most importantly that he loves them.
There is not enough substance in the case to go to trial, since plaintiff 's lawyer has not convincingly proved that MHI is the real plaintiff.
The history will never say Hazar Imam sued His momins.
Any kind of settlement internally out of court will not be able to wipe out this "vital element" except the court ruling that
MHI is not the real plaintiff and the case dismissed!
So no one should wish for concilliation and internal settlement(except SS and MM)
MHI would have done this when he appeared for discovery if that was a desirable outcome.
Did Dr SS & MM give Imam the right information?
Soulmate - B L O G L A W: Your friends have failed to convince us that the Imam is not the Plaintiff. If your friends also fail to convince the court that HH is not the Plaintiff, will you then be willing to concede that He is the Plaintiff? Editor Vancouverite - You may see a ruling on that.
Reply Bloglaw
Maybe you or Editor can get and upload the latest submissions of both sides. One of the concerns I have is;
If Imam filed the lawsuit and has stated that Farmans are available to the Jamat in JK’s including remote locations. Before and after 6 April this is not the case. Not even today. I have checked. So was Imam given the correct information and if so would Imam have made such a statement in court ? Or filed the lawsuit ? If not why did Leaders not give the correct information to Imam, and in any event not make sure all Farmans are available and accessible in JK’s (Itreb’s)) by the Jamat ?
If the court gives judgment against or for the defendants, they will I am sure abide by a ruling of the court. Everyone will. Legalities or the ruling aside, I hope Leaders will ensure access to Farmans by the Jamat and the new book of Farmans will be available very soon.
The symbolic of Mehmani and
The symbolic of Mehmani and its relevance is celebrated in everyday life of an Ismaili Muslim. Respectively it is beneficial manifestly in both lives of an Ismaili Muslim – secularly and spiritually. Palpably the Mehmani is considered and significantly in contemplation of inner thoughts of an Ismaili Muslim to seek Almighty Allah’s grace and blessing on all felicitous occasions.
Mawlana Hazar Imam is the spiritual father of all Ismaili Muslims and He is also our Imam of the time. We seek His loving blessing via Mehmani, Dua, Imam’s Noorani Deedar, and in many other religious ceremonies. Mawlana Hazar Imam is omnipotence, and philanthropic. Our Tariquah is practiced for innumerable years, which goes way back to inception of Ismailism.
We should all unconditionally abide by the wishes of MHI
YAM, MR. BLOGLAW! You and I have been obligated to present our comments on this litigation and the proceedings on this pertaining court case. We both have become hard hearted. May be I am wrong. We have to clear our minds and look with new perspective! I believe in amicable resolution and harmony in Ismaili Muslims Community! No matter what, as long as, Mr. Nagib Tajdin and Mr. Alnaz Jiwa are in the Ismaili Muslims Community, they are my brethren. Mr. Bloglaw, I am looking forward with you for a cuppa of Darjeeling tea in London, England! My favourite haunts are the Café in Harrods and Ritz. I enjoy scones (a small rich biscuit like pastry or quick bread) with fresh cream and warm liquid strawberry marmalade).
Both of us have successfully presented our arguments on discovery, summary judgement, and the trial if the court case continues to get the judgement. You have argued on the status of Hazar Imam and forgery. The argument goes on with no agreement about Hazar Imam’s status as being plaintiff! Therefore, the discovery has become meaningless because all parties are required not to argue about the appearance of Hazar Imam. The opponents are not able to establish that Hazar Imam is the plaintiff, or petitioner, or the claimant. The proponent has from the very beginning advocated that Mawlana Hazar is the plaintiff! The proponent argues strongly that Mr. Nagib Tajdin and Mr. Alnaz Jiwa had an excellent opportunity during the discovery but failed to ask five questions. Had he asked these questions, it appears Mawlana Hazar Imam would have definitely obliged Mr. Nagib Tajdin with answers. In this kind of legal proceeding, the judge will not prompt or make a fuss to get the answer from the plaintiff. The onus is on defendants! The reason is very simple; the judge has satisfaction that the plaintiff did not dishonour the requirement to attend the discovery. Therefore, the court’s requirement was met.
I do not think the lawyer; Mr. Brian Gray of Toronto in any way is slow in his understanding the relationship between the Imam and His Murid! He is slowly but surely progressing to acquire the systematic methodology in this court case. He is handsomely remunerated for his services and has his stretch of time for the completion of this court case. However, Mr. Nagib Tajdin and Mr. Alnaz Jiwa do not have the similar luxury to have an on going encounter with Mawlana Hazar Imam and Ismaili Muslims Institution! Whatever Mr. Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz are saying or implied, they should ponder about the original statement of claim by Mawlana Hazar Imam. Whatever that has transpired during the discovery should be assumed that it was a gift from Mawlana Hazar Imam to His Murid. My mind is bluntly prompting to me that the decision on this court case will be pronounced but my heart is prompting to me otherwise! Today I believe whatever the versions of this court case is pronounced by the plaintiff and the defendants should be left behind. We should look into future for betterment of Ismaili Muslims Community! We should all unconditionally abide by the wishes of Mawlana Hazar Imam and reaffirm our allegiance. This is our salvation!
I would like to thank everyone for giving their time in sharing their thoughts and knowledge. I take this opportunity to thank the Librarian Umed who have allowed and moderated this discussion. Mr. Bloglaw, like you we all do so because we care and out of love for the Imam. “May Mawlana Hazar Imam accept all our Seva, and grant us all more Seva, good health, happiness and both material and spiritual prosperity. AMEEN!! Allah Hafez, Nizar Ali K. Shivji!
Giving feedback and sharing
Giving feedback and sharing concerns is healthy and good for the Jamat, the institutions and the Leadership. Not a single person says there should be no conciliation including the Editor of, and those posting in Vancouverite and Mr Shivji. Everyone, Imam, Leaders, & Jamat agree on this. Yet there are no discussions/meetings for conciliation since the meeting in October. Unless there has been and we do not know about them ?. If so, can someone (Leaders/Alnaz/Nagib/Jamat members) let us know ?
There are no discussions
There are no direct discussions with the lawyer except those in the legal setup in front of the Prothonotary Tabib during the Case management Conferences.
Reply to Brother Abdullah (RE: letter to Sachedina)
Dearest Abdullah, thank you for your kind words and support. Mawlana Sultan Mohamed Shah has said in His memoirs, "Where there is love, there is no fear, and where there is fear, there is no love."
This then says it all. I have taken my stance out of love, completely without fear of any retaliation. After-all, what can they do to me? Excommunicate me? Kick me out of jamatkhanas? Stop me from any appointments to positions of leadership? They can do whatever. But they will not be able to remove my Mawla from my heart. Neither will I stop my campaign to have such leaders, who have no regard for the Imam, removed from their prestigious positions from which they reign like tyrannical kings.
I hope many more of my brothers and sisters will shed their fears aside, and stand up for our Mawla!!
At this juncture, I would like to thank Suleman for making such valid points.
@Zeenataara Allahrakhya re: above post (Nov. 29th)
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It is I who am grateful that you wrote this letter and posted it: it has, no doubt, awakened more than one reader. Insh'Allah, more members of the Jamat will actively get involved and press their leaders to take action.
And I thank you most sincerely also for this beautiful quote of M.S.M.S.'s Memoirs. Mowla sukhi raakhè, ameen.
Ya Aly madad, sister Zeenatara.
I remember there is a Ginan
I remember there is a Ginan where this era-period is predicted. I think it was Ek Baar Phir or Pehli Baar ...? A time will come when ? Can anyone get thisGinan with the translation or a link for it ? Maybe it is on this site. I cant find and may not have the right name.
Trust
A few months ago, the Golden Jubilee Farman made by Hazar Imam in Singapore was read out in our jamatkhana. Not extracts but the whole firman was read out. At that time I was surprised when the whole paragraph about the "jubas" of leaders was left out. I was present in singapore darbar and I am 100% sure that Hazar Imam had made light hearted comments about the jubas of the leaders. Similarly, when London firman was read, the entire comments made by the Imam about leaders not relaying information to the jamat from the Imam was omitted from the reading. Whilst I was still pondering over these discrepancies, the case involving Nagib and Alnaz came up, whose details are open to all. You are all aware of the happenings - the forged letters purported to be from the Imam, the announcement made in jamatkhanas worldwide, using Prince Amin's name in vain, the forged notarisations etc. I do not wish to go into the full details but behind all this travesty is one man: Dr S Sachedina who has broken all boundaries of trust!!! How can I or anyone else ever trust anything that is ever read out in the jamatkhanas again? What guarantee is there that a message from the Imam is actually from the Imam Himself? Truly, this is quite a horrifying situation. And yet, everybody is quiet or going on about sabar etc. Only Zeenatara, Kanize. Bloglow and a few others have been brave enough to speak out. The truth of the matter is that this leader has completely eroded the trust we have or had in communications made in jamatkhana which is a sacred place where our Imam sends guidance and blessings for us via taliqas, sandeshas and firmans. Now everything read in jamatkhana will be questionable. At least according to me who has seen what an errant leader can do. So short of receiving a video message or audio message from the Imam Himself, we cannot trust anything else that is read out in jamatkhanas. How can we accept this situation? First of all, Dr Sachedina has to go! The Imam, out of His infinite mercy asked Nagib and Alnaz not to pursue the forgeries but this does not mean they were not done. I join Zeenatara in her demand that he should go and pray to Hazar Imam to appoint leaders who will not cross the sacred lines of trust that we have built up over centuries and that can be eroded within seconds.
@Suleman re SS
Suleman Sachedina is not the only one, he has good company, a good few who are as bad or worse.
Since 1993 i have been seeking to raise awareness of the jamat to seek accountabilty and answerability after the Imam urged us to do so.
Not only ask SS MM and others, but pressure your local leaders, mukhis, other sevadaris in local areas to demand answers. Unfortunately these local leaders keep quiet or else they fear not being reappointed, and as such they betray the imam's trust.
Sorry state of affairs, but MSMS had said convert Ismailis into true Ismailis, thereby making a clear distention between true Ismailis as opposed to just Ismailis.
Ismailis are all over the globe, but how many true ismailis are remaining?
@Alnaz re: above post of Nov. 30th (reply to Suleman)
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What an interesting remark, brother Alnaz, in your last line, and what an enlightening farman of MSMS!
Just yesterday I was wondering about Pir Hasan Kabirdin (a.s.) who is to be "anantnaa taranhaar", I was wondering who would be the anant; who knows, maybe among them will be those Ismailis who are Ismaili just in name, because they happened to be born to Ismaili parents but they do not have any grounding in the faith?
The situation is so scarry...
On the other hand, I remember that musical play of a few years ago, Ibn-e-Yakzaan (I hope I am not mistaken in the name) where the audience is made to understand that esoteric matters, matters highly spiritual are not for the masses, but only for the few...Still, it is such a shame that we be born in this incredible faith and we be totally unaware of its worth...Like a thirsty person who is near a well but does not drink from it...
Mowla rakshaa kartaa rahè. Ameen.
Ya Aly madad.
@Suleman re: above post (Nov. 28th)
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Indeed, the trust has been eroded. And the situation is appalling. And what saddens me is that hardly any member of the Jamat seems to be aware of the real fact (when they know about the suit) and almost no one dares speaking up and asking their leaders to put an end to this horrible matter...I sometimes wonder if such a situation ever existed in our history before?
I too used to worry, a few months ago, wondering how to trust the announcements made in Jamat Khanas now, because of these dreadful lies, how not to be misled. Now, I have the deep conviction that if we remain steadfast in our imaan, dua in Khane, and dasond, then no one will mislead us. "Koy apro vaar vaanko nè karè." Ameen, and Insh'Allah.
It was nice to read your post, Suleman, nice to see someone else on the same wave-length...:-) Thank you for it.
Ya Aly madad.
@Kanize (reply)
Bravo Kanize! I salute your wisdom and your faith. Truly, when under the protection of Hazar Imam, no one can touch even a hair of our bodies. That is exactly why there is no need to fear and take a passive stance. Just like it is against the principles of humanity to turn away when you observe a passerby on the road getting mugged, just because you do not wish to get involved, similarly in this matter each person who has read the details of this case are liable to be questioned on the day of judgement as to why they decided to keep quiet and not stand up for what is right. So bravo to you Kanize, sister Zeenatara, brother Bloglow, and just a few others who voiced their protests.
@Suleman re: above post (Nov. 30th)
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Thank you, Suleman!
Ya Aly madad.