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2011-05-25 Payment of $30,000 by a Jamati Member

Background information:

The Federal Court in canada ordered Mr Jiwa and Tajdin (Defendants in the Copyright Case) to pay $30,000 in Cost to H.H. Tthe Aga Khan. A cheque was sent by a well-wisher from London, UK, which the defendant had never met nor did they know at that time who was Chatur,. The Imam never cashed the cheque. Sachedina tried to convince Chatur to take back his cheque. The fact that the cheque was never cashed by the Aga Khan was a blow to the face of those pretending that the Imam had sued his Murids (followers) and that the lawyer was acting on behalf of the Imam in asking those costs. The non-cashing of that cheque was instrumental in convincing the Jamat (community) that Gray may have been hired by Sachedina and not by the Imam.

The following was written by Mahebub Chatur:

27th May 2011

President Amin Mawji and Mukhi Saheb Alnashir Rehmu (West London)
Shia Imami Ismaili council for UK
Ismaili Center
Cromwell Road
London SW7 By email and hand

Dear President Saheb and Mukhi Saheb,

In accordance with our policy of communicating with Hazar Imam (Aga Khan), I request you to forward this letter urgently to Hazar Imam personally, with the enclosed Cheque of Canadian $30000 in favour of “H H The Aga Khan”. I look forward to your confirmation as normal that you have forwarded them. (The cheque is pursuant to the Judgment of Justice Harrington, of the Federal Court of Canada, under file No. T-514-10 whereby he ordered costs of $30,000.00 to be paid by Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa.)



Cover Letter To Hazar Imam by Mr Chatur

On June 6th, 2011 Nagib (not verified) says:

His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan
The Aga Khan Secretariat
Aiglemont, France

May it please Khudavand,

Your Highness;

It is an honour and a privilege for me to forward a cheque in favour of “ H H The Aga Khan “ for GBP £ 19000, which is equivalent to Canadian $30000. This includes an additional sum of $300 in case of any bank or conversion costs. (The sum is pursuant to the Judgment of Justice Harrington, of the Federal Court of Canada, under file No. T-514-10 , and order for costs of $30,000.00 to be paid by the 2 murids, namely Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa.)

Unfortunately this lawsuit has not ended based on Imam’s guidance and interaction with Aitmadi Sachedina, and the Leadership by me and many others. The court ordered the sum to be paid, pending the outcome of an appeal which has been filed.

I am making this payment from my own personal funds, and on behalf of my two spiritual brothers, out of love, brotherhood and affection. I do not know Alnaz Jiwa or Nagib Tajdin personally nor have I ever met them. I shall look forward to meeting them.

My reasons for making this payment are as follows;

1 I have studied all the court documentation and thousands of comments by many Murids I have personally discussed with hundreds of Ismaili Murids, and Leaders around the world regarding the 2 murids and this Lawsuit.. I have communicated with the Leaders generally and the leaders involved. I have verified the ground realities. I have the requisite professional qualifications, experience and expertise to enalble me to do so professionally , fairly and objectively.

2 I am convinced that the 2 murids (and their families) are loyal and devoted followers (muirds) and are my true spiritual brothers (They are truly Farmanbardari and Sevadari momeens)

3 They have in the past, and continue to serve the Jamat selflessly, with sharing considerable amounts of time, money, resources, and knowledge.

4 Resources and farmans which they have made available to the Jamat for over 20 years have been invaluable to Leaders, scholars and Al Waezeens around the world. In fact most Al Waez’s in most parts of the world use them because they cannot access them institutionally.

5 After the meeting with Hazar Imam on 15th October 2010, the 2 murids signed a consent order which they sincerely believe was as directed by Hazar Imam.

6 Nagib Tajdin has handed to ITREB Kenya the remaining 193 books as directed by Hazar Imam on 15th October 2010

7 Preservation and understanding by the Jamat of the The sanctity of Mehmani’s.

8 My conversation on 6th December 2010 and related communication with Aitmadi Shafik Sachedina (memorandum attached - annexure 1).

9 Alnaz has suffered professionally and lost business and clients as a result of this lawsuit. The business of Nagib has also suffered similarly.

10 If the lawsuit is not settled and the appeal is not allowed, then the 2 murids will have to pay additional costs.

11 The Lawyers are now seeking assessment hearing to determine the profits that might have been made by these two murids.

12 I am happy to assist and contribute in the interest of the Jamat, as a spiritual brother and a member of the Jamat.

13 I feel a compelling duty to support and assist under the circumstances.

14 As a result of this lawsuit the 2 murids, and their family are facing extreme emotional and socio economic challenges.

15 Hazar Imam has confirmed and directly clearly that all Farmans and guidance are to be made available to all murids, in all locations and in remote locations. Leaders have been limiting and restricting access to Farmans and Imams guidance.

16 I have discussed this with my wife and we are both in agreement.

17 I Informed the 2 murids that I wish to make this payment and requested their permission. They inform me the have considered and agreed.

If the appeal is allowed by the court, It is my wish for Hazar Imam to use the sum of $30000 for any activities Imam so wishes (without any limitation whatsoever)

I seek guidance, and pray for good health, for unity, for brotherhood, for peace and happiness for my family, all our leaders and Jamat. I also seek forgiveness for my shortcomings.

I am sending a copy of this letter to the 2 murids.

Yours truly

Mahebub Alam Chatur



memorandum by Mr Chatur the day before the December 7 hearing

Memorandum - conversation with Aitmadi Shafik Sachedina (SS) 6 December 2010

Dr Shafik called me. He said he was on route to Brussels and will be meeting Bapa today. SS said since he knows me personally he felt he wanted to speak with me to clarify some of the matters in the Lawsuit. The following is a summary of our conversation.

1 SS said, Gray had drafted the Consent after 15 Oct 2010. Alnaz and Nagib did not agree to it. Gray drafted a second one. They signed and sent a different one. Mawla saw and annotated the drafts. The main issue is an admission of infringement

2 SS said Mawla personally picked the legal advisers and appointed Mr Gray. He had not met Gray before the start of the lawsuit and that Firm has not done any work for us (SS – institutions) before the lawsuit. and has not used him. That Firm was recommended to Bapa by the Lawyers in France.

3 SS said Mawla approved and wrote the letters to Nagib, and there was no forgeries of the signatures, by him or by anyone else.

4 SS said it was Mawla who first instructed Gray, and not him. I said that will not be an issue if the case is settled since only one issue remaining. That of an admission of Infringement – He agreed.

5 SS said he does not have anything to do with case as Mawla is handling it direct with the Lawyers and the lawyers in France. I said surely Mawla is sharing with the top leadership and keeping him informed on such an important Jamati matter.

6 I requested him to please speak to the top 5 leaders and then say to the Mawla that there is only one small issue separating us and the 2 murids which is an admission of Infringement. I requested SS to give Mawla the 7 reasons I gave why we need to preserve the sanctity of Mehmani and end this case with honour and respect. I said he can say to Mawla, we as leaders would like one opportunity to meet the 2 murids as leaders in a group to agree the infringement issue, and conclude this case by consent. By doing so we can also legally achieve the objective and the santity of our mehmani, rites and ceremonies will also be protected. I said Mawla would be very happy. If for some reason Mawla does not Mawla will tell the leaders why and you will have tried your best to end the case.

7 SS said Mawla is very angry and wants to proceed all the way, and neither he nor other leaders can go against Mawla’s wishes. It is Mawla who is handling the case.

8 I said that he speaks to Mawla every day and I know decisions are made on for example budgets which are then presented. Then there is new information or a reconsideration. There are then changes and we have seen changes with new suggestions and Ideas . I said this is in the same spirit. I said Mawla is Rehman and Rahim and Karim and wishes us to work together. I said Mawla I feel Mawla will be happy if all his top Mawla leaders come to him through SS and speak with one mind and are working together and in this case as directed on 15th October. I asked why there has been no meeting and Alnaz was never contacted.

9 He said he tried very hard before the lawsuit, and after lawsuit they did not ask for a meeting and it is up to them to ask. I said they did ask for meetings but did not trust him so a meeting with other leaders or local Mukhi’s would have done the trick, I said in this case it is also up to leaders to take the initiative and the first step if needed.

10 He said that for 45 minutes in London Mawla spoke to all the Leaders recently about the lawsuit too. I said my info from some who attended say this was not discussed by Mawla, and they are also as concerned and as confused as I am. He assured my Mawla did speak about this. I said maybe my info is incorrect and I would love to speak to a few of our leaders on this so we are all on the same page

11 He said there was a leaders meeting in Toronto and leaders agreed to proceed. I said but he is saying Mawla decided Mawla is controlling. So why can SS not now also have a discussion with Azim, Mohammed, MM, AK and Presidents of Canada, UK and Kenya,. Then say to Mawla we have considered and if it pleases Mawla we would like to meet the 2 murids and close this case as the only issue remaining is an admission of Infringement. I said if mawla is approached by them Mawla will re consider if they speak with one voice, and Mawla is remided of the Directions and given a copy of the consent signed by Alnaz and Nagib.

12 I said I can assure him that this consent is legally possible and the result can be such that “lathi bi na toote ane samp bi na mare” I said I am sure Mawla would very happy to see conciliation and agreement with all speaking with one voice, rather than to continue the lawsuit.

13 He said we have agreed that there should be no damages or costs. We are only asking for $30000. I said in this case money is not an issue and money means nothing. They have given more and would give all their money to Mawla if that was an issue, and if Mawla asked. I said so would I too and so would you Shafik. I said they are loyal and sevadari’s.

14 He said he has tried hard before the lawsuit was filed by Mawla. I urged him not to stop now. He should have continued after the lawsuit was filed. I urged him to meet them now with other leaders since they do not trust him. I remined him that I had offered this to him in April 2010. He with other leaders should have met them. SS said they have not asked for a meeting. I said according to their comments in the net, they had and I feel he should have arranged for other leaders to meet them to understand and agree. I said Mawla wishes that and it would make Mawla very happy.

15 I urged him to rise above all this and speak to the leaders and to MHI and try his best to settle the case before the hearing tomorrow. He is our top leaders and this is the least he should do and he should expect this from himself for himself. I expect this from him and passionately urged him to do so.

16 He promised to discuss with Mawla and “flag ” this to Hazar Mawla. He said he was meeting Mawla later today. He said he will let me know. I urged him before now and his meeting can he please speak to other leaders and get their agreement so he can say all leaders agree.

17 I said if he wishes I will fly out today to be in that meeting and or if I can see the 3 drafts I will be happy to facilitate a meeting with the 2 murids who as he knows I have never met or knew before the lawsuit.

18 I said am in touch with Nagib, and have also asked searching questions, and I see no reason why they will not agree if Mawla says so since there is one issue on the table and to reinstate confidence and trust. I added that If you resolve this then the issue of mehmani and all other issues will all be preserved and settled. I said to continue the lawsuit will have an impact on the external geo political dynamics which can be significant if and when someone decided to take pot shots at Ismailes or Mawlaat in future.

19 He said he is personally taking so much flak and it was Mawla who decided to take Action. I said I appreciated this and It is in his hands to speak to leaders and Mawla to end this case. I said I hope this lawsuit can be ended before the hearing tomorrow. He said he will flag Mawla and let me know.

The only remaining issue is an admission of Infringement by Alnaz and Nagib and preserving the sanctity of our Mehmani, and related rites and ceremony. Our Tariquah, I said can be easily and legally addressed for the purposes of a settlement. I f it is agreed that there was consent in that Mehmani, which by agreement has been withdrawn. Copyright has never been an issue in this lawsuit. Thus preserving the sanctity of Mehmani.

Alnaz and Nagib will be happy to give undertakings and we can all work together going forward as directed by Hazar Mawla. There is no reason to distrust Alnaz and Nagib (who are loyal sevadaris)

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Two Extreme cases
On June 9th, 2011 KasamAli (not verified) says:

Here are just two extreme examples of kinds of persons.

On one hand, it is Mr. Sachedina and Mr. Manji, who out of vengeance have set aside all the ethical principles an Ismaili is supposed to observe when even dealing with a member of any other faith. These two top leaders of the community are bent upon inflicting maximum damage to two defendants, and thereby to their nearest relatives, even knowing well that the defendants are faithful ardent Ismailis.

On the other hand, is Mr. Chatur, a gentleman Ismaili, who neither knows the defendants properly nor has he met them over, and yet, out of sheer love of Ismaili brotherhood has not only parted away of his more than $ 30,000 but also made unusual efforts to help out amicable solution to this problem. What an admirable deed !

Without doubt, I feel, on spiritual realm, Maula Bapa must be very pleased with this act of his. Though I am sure, because of the Mr. Sachedina, He is not going to receive the letter and amount Mr, Chatur has sent.

* Pakistan


Thank you all for your
On June 8th, 2011 Mahebub Chatur (not verified) says:

Thank you all for your prayers and Ameen. Thank you to Alnaz and Nagib for allowing me to send this payment to Hazar Imam. I pray for all murids to work together. Ameen and Shukr Mawla.

* United Kingdom


@Mahebub Chatur
On June 9th, 2011 Nick (not verified) says:

Ya Ali Madad, As an Ismaili spirtual child of our beloved Hazar Imam, I am proud of you and your kindness Shri Mahebub Sahaab, ' People like you build bridges of love, brotherhood, hope, unity and light " and what you have done is an exemplary service in the eyes of our beloved Hazar Imam, we pray that May our beloved Hazar Imam showers his choicest loving blessings on you and your family and with his divine love and mercy brings an end to this case which is hurting us all as Mowla Bapas spiritual Murids. Ameen.

* Canada


The qualities of a real Jawamard ( Imam Mustansirbillah)
On June 8th, 2011 Alibhai Jiwani USA (not verified) says:

"Pir Pandayate Jawamardi" is a book revered as a " Pir" by Ismailis. It presents the farmans of Imam Mustan Sirbillah( End of 15th century)

It is translated in English by Prof W. Iwanow
Text page 14-16 very appropriate to understand the duties of real believer or Jawamard.

The real Jawamard is one who behaves as a man ,who is righteous and honest,whose devotion to God is in reality greaer than it appears. He is friendly with everone for the sake of pleasing God, and not for any worldly purpose,or in the hope of gaining any advantage in this world. The real man is the one who in good action is ahead of others. the real man is one who is happy if his brother believer gains and is aggieved if he loses.

The qualities of the real man are such that he has time to do all his work. Calamities will go far from him and his enemies will be blind.

His daily bread will be plentiful and he will have sucess and blessing in his work which will always be successful.
His children will be healthy and pious and his house prosperous. He will always be in time to do his work and God the all forgiving will help him.

The help of God will mean the mirror of his heart will not be rusty,his faith will grow stronger. and his activities will be honest his earnings will be lawful and and it will be from lawful sources that he will spend in the way of God. His good will reach the the pure spirits of the believers and faithful.and pious men.

Lawful earnings are not the lot of hypocrites,they will not reach the unclean spirits of such people. It is honestly earned money which will reach the blessed throne and the presence of the Lord of the time of the pious believers._surely! The Lord of the time will be pleased by that devotee and he will be well and blessed. God the all powerful and mighty will be satisfied by that devotee. His faith will be strong and mirror of his heart free from rust and strong,his body and soul will be sound(rawshan). His intelligence and comprehension will be bright and in the hereafter the Lord of honour will grant him His Great Vision (Nurani Deedar)

Congratulations to Nagib ,Alnaz and Mr Chatur.

I think they certainly meet the above qualifications.
They are the modern Jawamard of 21st century.

* United States


$30,000 paid as Cost to H.H. The Aga Khan
On June 6th, 2011 Nagib (not verified) says:

I post here with thanks to Mr Chatur for his authorization the covering letter with the check he has paid selflessly and without even knowing the defendant in this lawsuit. His explanation is part of this and the next posting (with his authorization).

Nagib

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The following was written by Mahebub Chatur:

27th May 2011

President Amin Mawji and Mukhi Saheb Alnashir Rehmu (West London)
Shia Imami Ismaili council for UK
Ismaili Center
Cromwell Road
London SW7 By email and hand

Dear President Saheb and Mukhi Saheb,

In accordance with our policy of communicating with Hazar Imam (Aga Khan), I request you to forward this letter urgently to Hazar Imam personally, with the enclosed Cheque of Canadian $30000 in favour of “H H The Aga Khan”. I look forward to your confirmation as normal that you have forwarded them. (The cheque is pursuant to the Judgment of Justice Harrington, of the Federal Court of Canada, under file No. T-514-10 whereby he ordered costs of $30,000.00 to be paid by Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa.)


further information in the matter ....!
On June 7th, 2011 mansoorali abdulrahim noorani (not verified) says:

Dear Nagib - ya ali madad - No doubt the gesture of mr Chatur has set an extra ordinary example to stonger the Bonds between Ismailis - wherever they are , and he deserves Appreciations , Mubaraki and Prayers for , but can you further inquire , with mr chatur and let us know , whether President saheb and Mukhi saheb , which they must have forwarded to ....further ...to reach MHI ..but , whether he recieved any aknwoldgement from , president saheb / mukhi saheb , and / or ,from the Plaintiff Side ?...and when is the next date of case ?, so as , it could be confirmed , from the Hon. Court also , that , it is granted as complied the order of the Hon Court for , by defendants , because , you know better , with whom you are dealing in the case !, ( surely not , MHI ) . i think , you must have understood , what i meant to covey to you , me being an observer as an ismaili advocate only . Wish , You and Those , who support you - in any form - all the best !..ya ali madad ..!

* India


The process in UK is that a
On June 8th, 2011 Bloglaw (not verified) says:

The process in UK is that a murid writes to the President. The President confirm in writing that the envelope is received and has been forwarded to Hazar Imam's secretariat in Aiglemont. At Aiglemont Dr SS controls the process. All mail is opened by them, and those priorotised for Hazar Imam are then brought to the persoanl attention of Hazar Imam. Not all are presented to Hazar Imam. Those not presented are handled by the DJI secretariat (SS)

* United Kingdom


Yes it is an extraordinary
On June 7th, 2011 librarian-umed says:

Yes it is an extraordinary example. I am sure many would have wished they also could contribute. We all give to the various institutions such as AKF, AKDN, Partnership Walk etc.. but to be able to write the name of the Imam on the check is not only an honour, it is indeed a most exceptional act which I am sure only a few chosen have done from the Jamat.

It is unfortunate that we all could not participate this time but I am sure Imam knows and whoever had wished to have done the same as Mr Chatur will have the benefit of his intention and maybe the luck to do so in the future.


Bhav huva...... bhakti....hu'i?!
On June 7th, 2011 mansoorali abdulrahim noorani (not verified) says:

Dear Umed - ya ali madad - You are right - We will assure our beloved PIRS , Now , that , you warned us , long back , that , bhav hu 'a , pan bhakti na hui , but our beloved PIRS , now , we have awakened , and YOU , will see and be pleased to see , that bhav pan hu'a ane bhakti pan hu'i , in any and all circumstances - on any and all occasions ,..and now PIR is MHI Himself ! ..ya ali madad !


Cover letter by Mr Chatur
On June 6th, 2011 Nagib (not verified) says:

His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan
The Aga Khan Secretariat
Aiglemont, France

May it please Khudavand,

Your Highness;

It is an honour and a privilege for me to forward a cheque in favour of “ H H The Aga Khan “ for GBP £ 19000, which is equivalent to Canadian $30000. This includes an additional sum of $300 in case of any bank or conversion costs. (The sum is pursuant to the Judgment of Justice Harrington, of the Federal Court of Canada, under file No. T-514-10 , and order for costs of $30,000.00 to be paid by the 2 murids, namely Nagib Tajdin and Alnaz Jiwa.)

Unfortunately this lawsuit has not ended based on Imam’s guidance and interaction with Aitmadi Sachedina, and the Leadership by me and many others. The court ordered the sum to be paid, pending the outcome of an appeal which has been filed.

I am making this payment from my own personal funds, and on behalf of my two spiritual brothers, out of love, brotherhood and affection. I do not know Alnaz Jiwa or Nagib Tajdin personally nor have I ever met them. I shall look forward to meeting them.

My reasons for making this payment are as follows;

1 I have studied all the court documentation and thousands of comments by many Murids I have personally discussed with hundreds of Ismaili Murids, and Leaders around the world regarding the 2 murids and this Lawsuit.. I have communicated with the Leaders generally and the leaders involved. I have verified the ground realities. I have the requisite professional qualifications, experience and expertise to enalble me to do so professionally , fairly and objectively.

2 I am convinced that the 2 murids (and their families) are loyal and devoted followers (muirds) and are my true spiritual brothers (They are truly Farmanbardari and Sevadari momeens)

3 They have in the past, and continue to serve the Jamat selflessly, with sharing considerable amounts of time, money, resources, and knowledge.

4 Resources and farmans which they have made available to the Jamat for over 20 years have been invaluable to Leaders, scholars and Al Waezeens around the world. In fact most Al Waez’s in most parts of the world use them because they cannot access them institutionally.

5 After the meeting with Hazar Imam on 15th October 2010, the 2 murids signed a consent order which they sincerely believe was as directed by Hazar Imam.

6 Nagib Tajdin has handed to ITREB Kenya the remaining 193 books as directed by Hazar Imam on 15th October 2010

7 Preservation and understanding by the Jamat of the The sanctity of Mehmani’s.

8 My conversation on 6th December 2010 and related communication with Aitmadi Shafik Sachedina (memorandum attached - annexure 1).

9 Alnaz has suffered professionally and lost business and clients as a result of this lawsuit. The business of Nagib has also suffered similarly.

10 If the lawsuit is not settled and the appeal is not allowed, then the 2 murids will have to pay additional costs.

11 The Lawyers are now seeking assessment hearing to determine the profits that might have been made by these two murids.

12 I am happy to assist and contribute in the interest of the Jamat, as a spiritual brother and a member of the Jamat.

13 I feel a compelling duty to support and assist under the circumstances.

14 As a result of this lawsuit the 2 murids, and their family are facing extreme emotional and socio economic challenges.

15 Hazar Imam has confirmed and directly clearly that all Farmans and guidance are to be made available to all murids, in all locations and in remote locations. Leaders have been limiting and restricting access to Farmans and Imams guidance.

16 I have discussed this with my wife and we are both in agreement.

17 I Informed the 2 murids that I wish to make this payment and requested their permission. They inform me the have considered and agreed.

If the appeal is allowed by the court, It is my wish for Hazar Imam to use the sum of $30000 for any activities Imam so wishes (without any limitation whatsoever)

I seek guidance, and pray for good health, for unity, for brotherhood, for peace and happiness for my family, all our leaders and Jamat. I also seek forgiveness for my shortcomings.

I am sending a copy of this letter to the 2 murids.

Yours truly

Mahebub Alam Chatur


@Mahebub Alam Chatur
On June 9th, 2011 Nick (not verified) says:

Dear Mahebub Sahab, Ya Ali Madad
Thank you for your very humble letter to our beloved Hazar Imam and let me tell you from the bottom of my heart that
" Jab Jab Muridou Per Aafat Aati Hai, Allah kahi aur Kahi Sein Madad ke Liyen uska Farishta Bhejata Hai " and let me tell you that you are one of that Angel. Brother Mahebub, I honestly always felt that; " Ki Mowla Karein aur Koi Farishta Aayen Een Dou Mere Fellow Ismaili Momeen Bhaiyon ko Madad Karne Ke Liyen and he has sent you to help our these two Ismaili Murids who are our fellow Ismaili brothers, Thank you from the bottom of my heart and I pray that May our beloved Hazar Imam showers his choicest loving blessings on you and your loving family for your long healthy happy life,, may he gives you lots and lots of barakaat in your daily livings and may he gives you lots of opportunities to help and serve the House of Imam-e-Zamaan and his spiritual children. Ameen.

* Canada


@ Cover Letter
On June 7th, 2011 Iman (not verified) says:

Some very good points has been mentioned in the covering letter. Well Done!!.

* United Kingdom


@Mahebub Chatur
On June 7th, 2011 nato mohez (not verified) says:

Ya Ali Madat Mahebub Chatur,
Fantastique! Bravo, félicitations et Merci du fond du coeur!
I am very proud to have an ismail brother like you! Many thanks and be assured for my sincere prayers to Mowla for your good health,serenity, courage and successes in all live aspects .My special prayers to your family members staying in the right way of Siratal-Mustaquim.
May Mowlana Hazar Imam bless you with His Bhatuni noorani Deedar . Ameen
mohez nato

* France


Monitary Duty ....!
On June 7th, 2011 mansoorali abdulrahim noorani (not verified) says:

Dear Readers - ya ali madad - EJI PAANCHMI BARI DASHOND NI BHANIE , TE SAHUTHI MOTI JANOJI - fullfilment of monitary duty to MHI - in any form - is best - Aameen - ya ali madad ..!

A wonderful gesture and an
On June 7th, 2011 Bloglaw (not verified) says:

A wonderful gesture and an expresion of sentiments of true brotherhood. Hazar Imam will also be so happy. I hope and pray that the Leaders read and realise that they should meet the 2 murids and end the case as directed by Hazar imam's on 15th October 2010.
I see that Mahebub had a conversation with Shafik Sachedina which ia a part of the letter on 6th Deecmber 2010. That if I am not mistaken is the day before the hearing. It it possible to post that memorandum too. It will be very interetsting for every one to read what they said to each other.

* United Kingdom


memorandum by Mr Chatur the day before the December 7 hearing
On June 7th, 2011 Nagib (not verified) says:

Memorandum - conversation with Aitmadi Shafik Sachedina (SS) 6 December 2010

Dr Shafik called me. He said he was on route to Brussels and will be meeting Bapa today. SS said since he knows me personally he felt he wanted to speak with me to clarify some of the matters in the Lawsuit. The following is a summary of our conversation.

1 SS said, Gray had drafted the Consent after 15 Oct 2010. Alnaz and Nagib did not agree to it. Gray drafted a second one. They signed and sent a different one. Mawla saw and annotated the drafts. The main issue is an admission of infringement

2 SS said Mawla personally picked the legal advisers and appointed Mr Gray. He had not met Gray before the start of the lawsuit and that Firm has not done any work for us (SS – institutions) before the lawsuit. and has not used him. That Firm was recommended to Bapa by the Lawyers in France.

3 SS said Mawla approved and wrote the letters to Nagib, and there was no forgeries of the signatures, by him or by anyone else.

4 SS said it was Mawla who first instructed Gray, and not him. I said that will not be an issue if the case is settled since only one issue remaining. That of an admission of Infringement – He agreed.

5 SS said he does not have anything to do with case as Mawla is handling it direct with the Lawyers and the lawyers in France. I said surely Mawla is sharing with the top leadership and keeping him informed on such an important Jamati matter.

6 I requested him to please speak to the top 5 leaders and then say to the Mawla that there is only one small issue separating us and the 2 murids which is an admission of Infringement. I requested SS to give Mawla the 7 reasons I gave why we need to preserve the sanctity of Mehmani and end this case with honour and respect. I said he can say to Mawla, we as leaders would like one opportunity to meet the 2 murids as leaders in a group to agree the infringement issue, and conclude this case by consent. By doing so we can also legally achieve the objective and the santity of our mehmani, rites and ceremonies will also be protected. I said Mawla would be very happy. If for some reason Mawla does not Mawla will tell the leaders why and you will have tried your best to end the case.

7 SS said Mawla is very angry and wants to proceed all the way, and neither he nor other leaders can go against Mawla’s wishes. It is Mawla who is handling the case.

8 I said that he speaks to Mawla every day and I know decisions are made on for example budgets which are then presented. Then there is new information or a reconsideration. There are then changes and we have seen changes with new suggestions and Ideas . I said this is in the same spirit. I said Mawla is Rehman and Rahim and Karim and wishes us to work together. I said Mawla I feel Mawla will be happy if all his top Mawla leaders come to him through SS and speak with one mind and are working together and in this case as directed on 15th October. I asked why there has been no meeting and Alnaz was never contacted.

9 He said he tried very hard before the lawsuit, and after lawsuit they did not ask for a meeting and it is up to them to ask. I said they did ask for meetings but did not trust him so a meeting with other leaders or local Mukhi’s would have done the trick, I said in this case it is also up to leaders to take the initiative and the first step if needed.

10 He said that for 45 minutes in London Mawla spoke to all the Leaders recently about the lawsuit too. I said my info from some who attended say this was not discussed by Mawla, and they are also as concerned and as confused as I am. He assured my Mawla did speak about this. I said maybe my info is incorrect and I would love to speak to a few of our leaders on this so we are all on the same page

11 He said there was a leaders meeting in Toronto and leaders agreed to proceed. I said but he is saying Mawla decided Mawla is controlling. So why can SS not now also have a discussion with Azim, Mohammed, MM, AK and Presidents of Canada, UK and Kenya,. Then say to Mawla we have considered and if it pleases Mawla we would like to meet the 2 murids and close this case as the only issue remaining is an admission of Infringement. I said if mawla is approached by them Mawla will re consider if they speak with one voice, and Mawla is remided of the Directions and given a copy of the consent signed by Alnaz and Nagib.

12 I said I can assure him that this consent is legally possible and the result can be such that “lathi bi na toote ane samp bi na mare” I said I am sure Mawla would very happy to see conciliation and agreement with all speaking with one voice, rather than to continue the lawsuit.

13 He said we have agreed that there should be no damages or costs. We are only asking for $30000. I said in this case money is not an issue and money means nothing. They have given more and would give all their money to Mawla if that was an issue, and if Mawla asked. I said so would I too and so would you Shafik. I said they are loyal and sevadari’s.

14 He said he has tried hard before the lawsuit was filed by Mawla. I urged him not to stop now. He should have continued after the lawsuit was filed. I urged him to meet them now with other leaders since they do not trust him. I remined him that I had offered this to him in April 2010. He with other leaders should have met them. SS said they have not asked for a meeting. I said according to their comments in the net, they had and I feel he should have arranged for other leaders to meet them to understand and agree. I said Mawla wishes that and it would make Mawla very happy.

15 I urged him to rise above all this and speak to the leaders and to MHI and try his best to settle the case before the hearing tomorrow. He is our top leaders and this is the least he should do and he should expect this from himself for himself. I expect this from him and passionately urged him to do so.

16 He promised to discuss with Mawla and “flag ” this to Hazar Mawla. He said he was meeting Mawla later today. He said he will let me know. I urged him before now and his meeting can he please speak to other leaders and get their agreement so he can say all leaders agree.

17 I said if he wishes I will fly out today to be in that meeting and or if I can see the 3 drafts I will be happy to facilitate a meeting with the 2 murids who as he knows I have never met or knew before the lawsuit.

18 I said am in touch with Nagib, and have also asked searching questions, and I see no reason why they will not agree if Mawla says so since there is one issue on the table and to reinstate confidence and trust. I added that If you resolve this then the issue of mehmani and all other issues will all be preserved and settled. I said to continue the lawsuit will have an impact on the external geo political dynamics which can be significant if and when someone decided to take pot shots at Ismailes or Mawlaat in future.

19 He said he is personally taking so much flak and it was Mawla who decided to take Action. I said I appreciated this and It is in his hands to speak to leaders and Mawla to end this case. I said I hope this lawsuit can be ended before the hearing tomorrow. He said he will flag Mawla and let me know.

The only remaining issue is an admission of Infringement by Alnaz and Nagib and preserving the sanctity of our Mehmani, and related rites and ceremony. Our Tariquah, I said can be easily and legally addressed for the purposes of a settlement. I f it is agreed that there was consent in that Mehmani, which by agreement has been withdrawn. Copyright has never been an issue in this lawsuit. Thus preserving the sanctity of Mehmani.

Alnaz and Nagib will be happy to give undertakings and we can all work together going forward as directed by Hazar Mawla. There is no reason to distrust Alnaz and Nagib (who are loyal sevadaris)


Re: memorandum by Mr. Chatur the day before the Dec. 7 hearing
On June 8th, 2011 Kanize (Canada) (not verified) says:

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It is so heartwarming and comforting to see that at least one influential person was getting involved as early as April 2010 to try and stop this senseless lawsuit. For some dreadful days I had felt terrible anguish in April of last year. Had I known you were already fighting then I would not have felt so "anaat" ("orphaned" and helpless)... Shukhar Mowla, that anguish is passed.

Mr. Chatur, please know that no words can express the gratitude I have towards you for having tried to stop this suit, for having read all the documents of the court and, above all, for having tried to preserve the sanctity of Mehmani. Mowla tamaaro anè tamaara kutumb no bohuj bhalo karè, tamaaro imaan hamèshaa salaamat raakhè. Ameen. Shukhar Mowla there are still decent influential people left...

Ya Aly madad.

* Canada


@memorandum by Mr Chatur
On June 8th, 2011 Yasmin (not verified) says:

Ya Ali Madad. I wonder whether SS is confusing the Jamat in this memo, that Hazar Imam can punish His Murids, as we all believe that He would never punish His Murids? Thank You.

* Canada


@Mahebub Chatur (Cover letter posted June 6 by Nagib)
On June 7th, 2011 Kanize (Canada) (not verified) says:

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What a decent gesture!! This is so heartwarming!! Mubaraki to you and to your families! And actually, mubaraki to all of us who have suffered, and continue to suffer because of this terrible law suit...May Mowla Bapa give you and your family much barkat, keep you imaan safe for ever, and may you continue to do good around you. Ameen.
This will bring so much renewed courage to Nagib and Alnaz.

I just pray that the cheque is forwarded to Hazer Imam and does reach Him. Ameen.

Ya Aly madad.

* Canada


@Mahebub Chatur (Cover letter)
On June 7th, 2011 Abdullah (Canada) (not verified) says:

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Mowlaa tamaaro bohuj bhalo karè, tamnè hamèshaa saaraa kaam karaavè, Ameen.

If your gesture means so much to "helpless onlookers" and members of the jamat like me, how much more it must mean to Nagib and Alnaz. I am thrilled that you took the trouble to read all the documents pertaining to the case and talked to so many people. Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart, for extending such support to Nagib and Alnaz.

Ya Aly madad.

* Canada


Shabash! Mr Chatur!
On June 6th, 2011 Alibhai Jiwani USA (not verified) says:

You are one more Javamard in the line of Nagib and Alnaz.
Bravo! I pray may you be among the 313 Primiere momins of Mawla required for Zahurat of Imame Zaman
If the appeal goes through the time may be sooner than we anticipate . Inshaallah.
May you be rewarded immensely for your great gesture not only in generosity of money but also moral support to these 2 murids.Also your great courage.

I bet Mawla inspired you to make the best use of the material wealth blessed to you
There cannot be a better use than this.
Keep up the exceptional work and courage in your life.

* United States


Mahebub Chatur
On June 6th, 2011 Yasmin (not verified) says:

Ya Ali Madad. Mr Mahebub Chatur is a "true" spiritual brother and and a "true" Murid of Our Beloved Hazar Imam. May Allah shower His Blessings upon him, and may Hazar Imam bless him with His Zaheri and Batuni Deedar. Ameen. Thank You.

* Canada


$30,000.00 costs.......
On June 4th, 2011 Alnaz (not verified) says:

Normally substantial costs are not ordered by the Courts. However, $30,000.00 was asked by Gray in his submission. Both Nagib and I had decided, firstly that we would not ask for costs (as any costs paid to us would come from Jamati funds); secondly, we would not oppose costs requests as the costs paid by us would go to Jamati funds (all legal costs are paid by Jamati funds).

We were contemplating paying costs into Court but one Umdewar, Mahebub Chatur of London, UK, graciously offered to pay the ordered costs directly to MHI with a notation and offer that if the appeal is won by us, the costs need not be refunded but used by MHI anyway He deems appropriate.

Mr. Chatur has sent $30,000.00 directly to MHI towards the costs ordered by the Court. Accordingly, we will not be paying the costs into the court as was required by June 3, 2011.

I am very grateful to Mr. Chatur, and to so many other brothers and sisters who have supported us from day one and continue to support us and pray for us.

Alnaz

* Canada


$30,000.00
On June 5th, 2011 Yasmin (not verified) says:

Ya Ali Madad. Does Hazar Imam know re. above costs. It is extremely kind of Mr Mahebub Chatur. Will $30,000.00 be given direct to Hazar Imam? Thank You.

* Canada


$30,000 sent through UK Council
On June 6th, 2011 Nagib (not verified) says:

Mr Chatur has sent the cheque with a covering letter though the UK Council so there will be accountability.

In his accompanying letter to Mowlana Hazar Imam, Mr Chatur has written that he has never met or talked with Alnaz or me except by email and he was sending the check because Alnaz and Nagib are his spiritual brothers.


$30,000.00
On June 6th, 2011 Yasmin (not verified) says:

Ya Ali Madad. Thank you for the information. I do hope that SS would not interfere with the handing over the cheque/letter to Hazar Imam. As far as I am aware, anything that goes to Hazar Imam, SS reads the correspondence first, sometimes Hazar Imam is not aware of what correspondence has arrived. I hope our brother Mr Mahebub Chatur gets an acknowledgement of his letter direct from Hazar Imam. Thank You.

* Canada


@ Yasmin re: $30,000 (June 6)
On June 7th, 2011 Kanize (Canada) (not verified) says:

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The same question entered my mind the minute I read that Mahebub Chatur had sent that cheque to Hazer Imam...Will He receive it???
Ya Aly madad.

* Canada


@Kanize
On June 7th, 2011 Yasmin (not verified) says:

Ya Ali Madad Kanize. I wonder whether, if brother Mahebub Chatur receives an acknowledgement from Our Beloved Hazar Imam, His signature will be "original" and not "forged"? Thank You.

* Canada


@Yasmin (re: June 7th post)
On June 14th, 2011 Kanize (Canada) (not verified) says:

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Indeed, Yasmin. That is a valid question. Man!!! Kiyaa zamaanaa aagayaa hè! We shan't know, either way...
Ya Aly madad.

* Canada



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